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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by julianlam »

edot wrote: post #383
josho wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't spoken to an anti-vaxxer yet. Those that I've seen in the media have been completely irrational (5g/bill gates theories). So, I'm looking forward to learning from a rational person what their motivations are. What are your reasons to refuse a vaccine? Weren't you vaccinated as a child for polio & chicken pox? Why is this vaccine a hill to die on? Thanks.

I’m vaccinated, but against this vaccine mandate. My proposed method is this: 1) If you want to get vaccinated, get vaccinated. 2) If you don’t, don’t. 3) If you go to the hospital with a COVID infection, your care is covered by insurance if you are vaccinated. If you are not, your care is not covered by insurance. This allows people to make decisions about their bodies, while also fending off the two main arguments…

> With my plan, the unvaccinated will be disincentivized to go to the hospital to get COVID care, thus freeing these beds up. Again, this respects personal choices.

The fact that this sentiment already exists in America (via private insurance and out-of-network costs) is absolutely abhorrent.

Citizenry should never be disincentivized from seeking out healthcare.

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

CabSauce wrote: post #392
moistrobot wrote: post #296

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We aren't ever going back to normal at this point. Once government gets power, it doesn't give it back. We're pushing closer to 2 Americas, one with freedom and one with vaccine mandates

You do realize that we vote for our government representatives, right? The 'government' is us.

"Us" is ~50% of the population in many congressional districts. Even in the most hard left/right jurisdictions you get like an 80-20 split on federal elections. That's a 1 in 5 minority of the population. That's f-ing huge.

And between the left complaining about disenfranchisement and the right complaining about voter fraud the elected representative holds less legitimacy in the eyes of the "I didn't vote for them" minority in any given district.

Look at the crazy things totalitarian governments do to keep marginalized 10-30% religious and ethnic minorities from causing instability. A pissed off group of similar size in a western country that isn't willing to stoop that low is a civil unrest bomb waiting to go off.

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Post by dcolkitt »

md_ wrote: post #281
Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

It would probably save lives _and_ lower the cost of healthcare. This is why many employers already offer free on-site "influence" (heh) shots for employees: it makes good business sense. I'm never sure how to take objections like yours, because there are certainly a few different things to discuss. Is your objection to the government's role in this (such that you'd be fine with private employers enforcing whatever m…

My objection is that it's generally creepy anytime an institution tries to control or monitor the inside of an individual's body. Same reason I find workplace drug tests extremely distasteful. Like you can give me all the arguments you want about why it's a utilitarian positive, but at the end of the day you're asking for a cup of my pee so you can sniff it. That's just fucking weird and dystopian.

And to be clear, I'm fully Covid vaccinated and get flu shots religiously. But when an impersonal institution is coercing and coaxing people into injecting something into their body that they don't want, I'm out. I won't vote for those politicians, I won't work with those companies, I won't cooperate with those federal agencies.

It's weird, it's creepy, it gives my lizard brain a bad vibe that screams "Get Away From Them FAST!" You can go on all you want about QALYs and ROIs and R0s. But that's about as convincing as a man with a pencil mustache and a windowless van explaining to me why he's qualified to babysit my kids. I'm sorry, I won't do it. I won't eat the bugs.

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Post by julianlam »

leesalminen wrote: post #414
edot wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m vaccinated, but against this vaccine mandate. My proposed method is this: 1) If you want to get vaccinated, get vaccinated. 2) If you don’t, don’t. 3) If you go to the hospital with a COVID infection, your care is covered by insurance if you are vaccinated. If you are not, your care is not covered by insurance. This allows people to make decisions about their bodies, while also fending off the two main arguments…

To quote our vice-president, "The right of women to make decisions about their own bodies is not negotiable. The right of women to make decisions about their own bodies is their decision, it is their body."

However, being pregnant does not cause other people to become pregnant against their will.

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Post by UncleMeat »

tolmasky wrote: post #350

The more time passes, the more I'm convinced that the right strategy would have been to make the vaccines initially cost $35,000 a dose, so that the outcry would have been that the Illuminati was making it impossible for the common man to get access to these life-saving drugs. Then, after months of argumentation, people could have had the victory of having the vaccines "liberated" and offered for free, such that gett…

What's odd is we did see a little of this. Rich people were bribing their way into getting earlier doses.

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Post by rejectedandsad »

SergeAx wrote: post #439
drewg123 wrote: post #426

For those of you arguing against getting vaccinated, please go volunteer at a local hospital. I'm currently in the hospital in the "red" part of my purple state. I had an acute appendicitis, and had to wait in a temporary, crowded, understaffed holding area in the ER for over 18 hours before getting admitted for treatment. My roommate in the hospital has an infected foot, and waited over 24 hours to be admitted. He m…

But working in a hospital requires vaccination now, isn't it? Or even was required by many medical facilities before current events?

There are a surprising number of nurses that are unvaccinated (much more than Doctors, of which very few are unvaccinated).

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Post by InitialLastName »

Cederfjard wrote: post #314
guscost wrote: post #251

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“Normalcy” is gone for good. If you’re actually still hoping for some future that looks like the pre-COVID times, you’re going to be disappointed. Hoping to avoid war is more in alignment with reality, at this point.

What permanent changes are you envisioning?

Not the GP, but I'd love if employers would enact policies that enabled and encouraged their employees to stay home when they get sick. Covid tore through my office early on because someone felt he had to come in and get work done despite being sick. It tore through my office, killing two people and hospitalizing multiple others, definitely costing more productivity than we gained by the one person coming in to work.

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Post by [deleted] »

da_big_ghey wrote: post #322
DaftDank wrote: post #302

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There's always been two Americas, if not more. We've just tried to fool ourselves into believing otherwise for a long time.

Then why did we fight a war on keeping them together. Maybe both would be happier if south and middle states split from coast ones.

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Post by disneygibson »

robmccoll wrote: post #438
disneygibson wrote: post #403

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No, it isn’t comparable, because those diseases wiped out 3/4 of the population. That obviously isn’t the case with COVID, even if our terrified-of-everything populace thinks it is.

Have you considered that we took a lot of precautions that made it possible that as relatively few people died as did? Even with shutdowns, lockdowns, and extreme measures in healthcare, we lost about 0.2% of the population. If we had done nothing, we might have reached 1%. If a group was going door to door randomly killing 1 in every 100 people in your neighborhood, would you consider it reasonable to stop answering…

How does that have anything to do with the parent comment?

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

tolmasky wrote: post #427
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #360

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One would hope. My struggle previously with having a cold is that those can stick around for a week or two - until we set this new precedent for working from home I couldn't just disappear for a week because I didn't feel well so I'd inevitably take a day when it was especially bad, but then I'd come in and spread it around anyways.

One of the unfortunate parts about colds is that the range of experiences seems to be fairly large for different people. It sounds that like me, you've never experiencd a "24 hour bug," and a cold is at minimum a one week affair. Not sure if you've looked into it, but there is some research starting to develop around why this is the case, namely, it might be bacteria that inhabit our nose that take advantage when our…

It seems fairly common for a cold to last a week[1]. They wouldn't be debilitating for the whole time - it'd be a day or two of bad symptoms and then a obnoxious sniffle for another week. But I'd still come into the office and be that guy in the corner who was going sniff sniff sniff the whole day, even with a box of kleenex. Thankfully I haven't had one since I moved to working from home - I've come to realize that I need to be more careful with hand washing and general hand/face hygeine.

[1] https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/your-cold-wont-go-away

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