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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by CabSauce » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:26 PM UTC

6d6b73 wrote: post #189

jasonhansel wrote: post #151

This doesn't go far enough. I think that state governments need to start mandating vaccinations for all eligible citizens. Such mandates are clearly constitutional and have a great deal of historical precedent (see Jacobson v. Massachusetts, which upheld vaccine mandates in 1905).

That case was against a law and not against an executive order. I'm tired of presidents ruling by decree - this should stop long time ago but it's getting worse with every president.

It's the only way to get anything done since the senate doesn't function without a super-majority.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by khuey » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:27 PM UTC

astura wrote: post #384

julianlam wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many exemptions that apply. Religious exemptions are one example.

Some states (including big ones like California and NY and conservative ones like Mississippi and West Virginia) have no exemptions to school vaccine requirements other than medical exemptions. https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/school-immunization-exe...

California used to have more exemptions and they were used heavily by new age/hippie types (i.e. not conservatives) to skirt vaccination requirements so the laws were changed recently.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by disneygibson » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:28 PM UTC

1shooner wrote: post #374

disneygibson wrote: post #353

Inevitable outcome in a society that is terrified of everything. And to think that our ancestors sailed across the oceans into the unknown and faced diseases, war, famine, and worse. Now we are instituting a surveillance state in the name of a fairly bad flu virus with a 99% survival rate. We really need a new frontier. Hopefully space travel happens before human beings become completely domesticated.

> our ancestors sailed across the oceans into the unknown Some of our ancestors were almost completely wiped out from novel disease brought by those that crossed the oceans. They were probably also terrified.

No, it isn’t comparable, because those diseases wiped out 3/4 of the population. That obviously isn’t the case with COVID, even if our terrified-of-everything populace thinks it is.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by steverb » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:28 PM UTC

ctrlp wrote: post #351

steverb wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you think that's a problem. The vaccines offer better protection against variants than having had COVID and recovering. Edit: Apparently this is new information to people: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr...

Please share evidence for this claim.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr...

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Post by ren_engineer » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:28 PM UTC

moistrobot wrote: post #284

We're getting closer to two Americas. Policies like these will only exacerbate the transition. Expect to mass over non-compliance from conservative states and businesses

there's no such thing as a conservative state, look at county level election maps. It's all rural vs Urban, even in New York and California. Suburbs are for the most part purple as well

people who talk about succession and splitting off have no idea what they are talking about, it wouldn't be clean at all

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Post by 15155 » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:28 PM UTC

tibbydudeza wrote: post #120

Our largest healthcare provider has already mandated vaccines for their staff and insurance companies are now following suit because they got hammered with life insurance payouts for 2020 and first half of 2021. Waiting for retailers to announce this as well at some point.

Do you have a citation for what it means for insurance companies to be "hammered?"

Life insurance companies - maybe?

But for most demographics, statistics that would concern an actuary have not changed.

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Post by julianlam » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:29 PM UTC

the-dude wrote: post #171

david_allison wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> PATRIOT act Not sure if you're aware, but it expired in 2020

That is a bit of a moot point for a something that has been active for 2 decades. To call 20 years 'temporary' is a big stretch.

Why? Temporary means "not permanent", it doesn't specify that it must be shorter than any given timeframe.

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Post by jononomo » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:29 PM UTC

Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

This makes good sense and I fully support this idea. I'm also in favor of heavily taxing soda and beer.

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Post by tomrod » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:29 PM UTC

disneygibson wrote: post #387

Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

So we should mandate everything that saves lives, no matter the cost to freedom or infringing of rights? This is the issue with technocratic government: zero understanding of anything deeper than “if it works, do it!”

It's been a year this approach has been claimed.

Time to roll up sleeves for your civic duty.

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Post by yourapostasy » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:29 PM UTC

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #360

tolmasky wrote: post #317

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If we lived in a non-influenza world that suddenly experienced influenza for the first time, we would think it's crazy to not only allow, but many times encourage, sick employees to come to work and basically take out the entire office. It's like just committing to losing a week's worth of productivity across the board. One nice benefit of going more remote is that we can hopefully "personalize" the cold/flu experien…

One would hope. My struggle previously with having a cold is that those can stick around for a week or two - until we set this new precedent for working from home I couldn't just disappear for a week because I didn't feel well so I'd inevitably take a day when it was especially bad, but then I'd come in and spread it around anyways.

I count myself extremely fortunate, as [knock on wood] I rarely get the flu. About once every 4 years on average, and most times when I get it, I'm through it in about 48-72 hours. And my clients are always very understanding and I'm able to still deliver while WFH, except in the very worst depths of about 12-24 hours.

There has got to be some genetic component where others have it way worse than I do, and yet still others skate by even better than I do. We know far less about biology than we think we do.