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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by merpnderp »

bserge wrote: post #271
Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

Let's go even further and mandate psychological and physical tests, to make sure there are fewer deaths. You never know what goes through someone's head or whether a previous injury will lead to an accident. I'm only half joking, this could actually help me :D

You know what kills more than COVID? Sugar which causes cancer, diabetes, and heart disease. If we're going to go after COVID for the havoc it causes, there's a long list of similar issues that could be tackled with the same type of mandate.

I don't look forward to our health-police state we apparently decided was a great idea. Well we didn't decide, because that would have required congress to pass a law. This was just some old man skipping congress, likely knowing this will be overturned by the Supreme Court, but desperately needing to change the national debate away from Afghanistan.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by CabSauce »

moistrobot wrote: post #296
steverb wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I predict that by December of 2021 enough people will have gotten the vaccine or have had COVID that the hospitalization numbers will drop precipitously and then we can all go back to a normal life. The OSHA requirement will hang around, but people won't be freaking out about it because it will be normal. Within two years there will be a childhood COVID vaccine that is safe and effective and it will be required for s…

We aren't ever going back to normal at this point. Once government gets power, it doesn't give it back. We're pushing closer to 2 Americas, one with freedom and one with vaccine mandates

You do realize that we vote for our government representatives, right? The 'government' is us.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by disneygibson »

moistrobot wrote: post #284

We're getting closer to two Americas. Policies like these will only exacerbate the transition. Expect to mass over non-compliance from conservative states and businesses

The fact that this has been divided along sociopolitical lines should make it obvious that neither side is genuinely looking at the issue with clear eyes. It’s entirely tribal, as the comments in this thread illustrate.

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Post by swayvil »

AndrewBissell wrote: post #46
silentmajthrw54 wrote: post #35

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Created this throwaway to say that there are at least some others who agree but are too scared of the current cultural tone to speak openly about this. I feel thoroughly alienated from my peer-group and family over their fervor for this response and against any who disagree.

I'm right there with you. Had an old friend of over 25 years say to me that it was a "blunt cudgel to enforce a social instinct that is shockingly atrophied in people." Hang in there, you are not alone and we are still in the very early days of this whole operation. Also, you might be able to find a local anti-mask or anti-mandate group on Facebook, I've found having that social support network is really helpful.

Is Facebook allowing those? The censorship (authoritarian as well as consensual) is pretty heavy on facebook, twitter, reddit.

Isolating dissenters. Make them feel like lone crazies.

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Post by camillomiller »

camillomiller wrote: post #378

I was commenting to a critical comment that was, in my opinion, controversial but acceptable. I don't know who flagged it and why, and it's now disappeared. Please, please, please: I'm the most provax person out there, but limiting the contrary voices won't lead this conversation anywhere constructive. The comment was saying the the policies against Covid so far were aimed at the distruction of normal. Here's what I…

Edit: I'm getting downvoted brigade-style for what? This was supposed to be a forum of civil and intellectual discussion, ffs!

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Post by tomrod »

moistrobot wrote: post #284

We're getting closer to two Americas. Policies like these will only exacerbate the transition. Expect to mass over non-compliance from conservative states and businesses

I'm not concerned. It's time to roll up sleeves as a civic duty.

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Post by betterunix2 »

longthrow1 wrote: post #332
betterunix2 wrote: post #282

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...nevermind all the other people you interact with in your life.

So, not an osha issue then.

That's right, but the fact is that the president's goal is to get everyone who can receive the vaccine to be vaccinated. He lacks the authority to issue a simple vaccine mandate for everyone and is just doing what he does have the authority to do. The vaccine is not just about workplace safety and people who work from home should still get the shot.

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Post by koonsolo »

tolmasky wrote: post #350

The more time passes, the more I'm convinced that the right strategy would have been to make the vaccines initially cost $35,000 a dose, so that the outcry would have been that the Illuminati was making it impossible for the common man to get access to these life-saving drugs. Then, after months of argumentation, people could have had the victory of having the vaccines "liberated" and offered for free, such that gett…

Not sure why you are getting downvoted, because such things can work. Just look at what Antoine-Augustin Parmentier did with potatoes. Same mental trick.

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Post by leesalminen »

steverb wrote: post #338
ctrlp wrote: post #321

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Arguments for thinking of the burnt-out healthcare professionals are tired and miss the forest for the trees. There are many reasons for healthcare professionals feeling burnt-out that pre-date Covid and were exacerbated by it. Where were your tears for them then? You clearly don't value your liberty. (Maybe you don't even understand what it means, given your mockery.) Liberty refers to your right to govern yourself.…

To trot out an old saw: "Your rights end and the tip of my nose." You do not have a Deity-given right to infect other people with disease.

Doesn't the vaccine protect you from disease?

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Post by [deleted] »

adamrezich wrote: post #368
kaydub wrote: post #205

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No, they're definitely replaceable.

you wish! the whole point of hiring me was to have somebody younger learn the ropes of how our complex, outdated, and undocumented systems work. if the senior programmer gets fired, especially right as the school year is just starting, there's no way the other programmer can handle 100% of department responsibilities. and that's assuming she's willing to follow such a mandate anyway! she's out of office for a week so…

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