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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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jmnicolas wrote: post #265
poorjohnmacafee wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> are taking up a non-insignificant portion of available hospital beds Healthy, non obese young people do not get hospitalized by this disease at any significant rate at all, most aren't even aware they got it. If you're a healthy young person you have rationality on your side to object to a vaccine. Especially one that is trying to hit a moving target as covid is probably now another mutating flu that will be around…

Fwiw I know an overweight alcoholic 65 yo woman, cancer survivor, diabetic and has cardiac problems (she had to be in a wheelchair for a couple years). Oh and she's a chain smoker too. She's the perfect COVID victim. She got it twice, even though it was quite bad never had to be hospitalized and her health is now not worse than before.

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Post by edot »

josho wrote: post #280
guscost wrote: post #244

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America will split into two societies - those who demand a yearly injection (and who knows what else) in exchange for access to basic goods and services, and those who do not. The ones who do not will gather in their own towns, cities, and states where this freedom is respected, and secured by militias. I will be in that latter society. Or civil war. Also possible.

I haven't spoken to an anti-vaxxer yet. Those that I've seen in the media have been completely irrational (5g/bill gates theories). So, I'm looking forward to learning from a rational person what their motivations are. What are your reasons to refuse a vaccine? Weren't you vaccinated as a child for polio & chicken pox? Why is this vaccine a hill to die on? Thanks.

I’m vaccinated, but against this vaccine mandate. My proposed method is this:

1) If you want to get vaccinated, get vaccinated.

2) If you don’t, don’t.

3) If you go to the hospital with a COVID infection, your care is covered by insurance if you are vaccinated. If you are not, your care is not covered by insurance.

This allows people to make decisions about their bodies, while also fending off the two main arguments I see for why everyone should be vaccinated. Those arguments are:

1) Unvaccinated people are hosts for mutations which can break through vaccines. Since we are already going to be doing yearly updates to this vaccine a la flu vaccines, this is not a concern to those who want to be vaccinated as they will get fresh protection each year.

2) Hospital beds are being filled with COVID patients, thus blocking people with e.g. heart attacks, car crash injuries etc. from getting care. With my plan, the unvaccinated will be disincentivized to go to the hospital to get COVID care, thus freeing these beds up. Again, this respects personal choices.

But forcing people to do something to their body? Not cool with me. Also not logically consistent with being pro-choice, which most of my pro-mandate (anti-choice) friends are.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by astura »

julianlam wrote: post #346
rmah wrote: post #326

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When I was a youth, most public schools mandated a variety of vaccinations. If you didn't get them, you couldn't go to school. Is that no longer the case?

There are many exemptions that apply. Religious exemptions are one example.

Some states (including big ones like California and NY and conservative ones like Mississippi and West Virginia) have no exemptions to school vaccine requirements other than medical exemptions.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/school-immunization-exe...

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Post by julianlam »

pibechorro wrote: post #176
walterbell wrote: post #2

Is the federal government going to provide employers with the same legal immunity granted to pharmaceutical vendors via the PREP act? Does this mandate incorporate the Sept 2021 CDC definition of vaccine, https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article25... > Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.”…

goal posts keep moving to fit the agenda of handing a select few billions of dollars at our expense.

It always surprises me when conservatives use the economic argument wrt vaccine deployment because doing so means they assume an intrinsic value of $0 on human lives.

Penny wise, pound foolish.

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Post by Paradigma11 »

erklik wrote: post #134
hoten wrote: post #16

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Most of the Patriot act was to expire after 4 years. It was renewed by Congress multiple times. Parts of it were renewed in separate bills after it eventually expired. For the COVID ETS from this June, OSHA has been coordinating with the CDC monthly to determine if it is still necessary. See https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets#:~:text=to%20assess%20t... Although, just like Afghanistan, there's no clear end to COVID…

> there's some great benefit the government / other interests are getting out of this ETS Pharma is gonna be making some good money out of COVID, no? The amount of tests that have been produced, plus the amount of vaccines being used are certainly not free.

They would be making a lot more money without the vaccines.

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Post by disneygibson »

Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

So we should mandate everything that saves lives, no matter the cost to freedom or infringing of rights?

This is the issue with technocratic government: zero understanding of anything deeper than “if it works, do it!”

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Post by tomrod »

camillomiller wrote: post #378

I was commenting to a critical comment that was, in my opinion, controversial but acceptable. I don't know who flagged it and why, and it's now disappeared. Please, please, please: I'm the most provax person out there, but limiting the contrary voices won't lead this conversation anywhere constructive. The comment was saying the the policies against Covid so far were aimed at the distruction of normal. Here's what I…

I believe it's time to roll up sleeves as a civic duty.

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Post by ctrlp »

dadoge wrote: post #245
ctrlp wrote: post #203

Whether or not you agree if there is legal authority for mandates for this vaccine or this pandemic, where does it end? The trajectory we're on is for all people to be monitored by the State for compliance with the vaccine programs. Israel is already saying 4 shots (and more) will required [0] to participate in that society. Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are quasi-police states [1] and will probably mandate vacc…

I’m going to bookmark this and DM you in a few yrs pointing out how painfully wrong you’ll be There is broad consensus that covid will turn into a cold/flu like illness once our bodies have built a strong enough immune response.

Please do! I look forward to being wrong. Nobody likes a Cassandra (although Cassandra turned out to be right) and I'll gladly concede these warnings were alarmist if the trends I see discontinue without mass unrest or turning over the governments via voting.

I agree with the consensus about Covid. I don't agree that means we won't have a permanent 'VaxPass' system in place serving as the camel's nose for a CCP-style social credit system based on health compliance. I wonder what you thought about the Patriot Act after 9/11 or Snowden's leaks? 20 years later would you say that all blew over?

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

guscost wrote: post #272
Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

A yearly combination COVID and influenza shot will be the next mandate - at least in the fascist shitholes that are still subject to these rules.

When this all started and the stats for influenza deaths came out (usually as a poor attempt to downplay the seriousness of COVID) I was shocked at my own ignorance as to the effect of influenza. I'd previously tried to but been inconsistent in getting my flu shot, but now that I understand the human cost that's changed for me.

It amazes me that people would be hesitant to get it and that there'd even be need to mandate it now. None of the same arguments can be made against the flu shot that can be made against the COVID vaccine (and in fact if we had yearly COVID vaccines those arguments would be moot there as well), but I'm sure we'd have a ton of vaccine deniers there, which really just proves it's ideology and feelings over any sort of real concern.

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