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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by ctrlp » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:16 PM UTC

steverb wrote: post #305

zerocount wrote: post #274

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The big problem is they still want people who've recovered from COVID to get vaccinated. This is a very big deal and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole OSHA plan goes to the Supreme Court. I've recovered from COVID and stand against vaccine mandates.

Not sure why you think that's a problem. The vaccines offer better protection against variants than having had COVID and recovering. Edit: Apparently this is new information to people: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr...

Please share evidence for this claim.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:18 PM UTC

anonymouse008 wrote: post #131

tibbydudeza wrote: post #120

Our largest healthcare provider has already mandated vaccines for their staff and insurance companies are now following suit because they got hammered with life insurance payouts for 2020 and first half of 2021. Waiting for retailers to announce this as well at some point.

Maybe slightly off topic, but it’s always been odd to me how life insurance tests with vigor for tobacco use but lack that enthusiasm for metabolic health / diet.

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by disneygibson » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:18 PM UTC

Inevitable outcome in a society that is terrified of everything. And to think that our ancestors sailed across the oceans into the unknown and faced diseases, war, famine, and worse. Now we are instituting a surveillance state in the name of a fairly bad flu virus with a 99% survival rate.

We really need a new frontier. Hopefully space travel happens before human beings become completely domesticated.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by md_ » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:18 PM UTC

rmah wrote: post #326

Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

When I was a youth, most public schools mandated a variety of vaccinations. If you didn't get them, you couldn't go to school. Is that no longer the case?

In the US, all 50 states have some type of mandatory vaccination for public schools (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy_in_the_Unit...). Most, but not all, allow religious or similar exemptions; some (including California) only allow medical exemptions.

I think your point--which is spot-on--is that a lot of the outraged reactions appear to be from people who are unaware (or unwilling to acknowledge) the very long history of compulsory vaccination (and who probably had such vaccines themselves as children).

That's not to say that any mandatory medical intervention shouldn't be treated with serious consideration, but the unwillingness to acknowledge precedent is bizarre and, I suspect, to some degree dishonest.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by throwaway0a5e » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:18 PM UTC

supergeek133 wrote: post #329

da_big_ghey wrote: post #322

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Then why did we fight a war on keeping them together. Maybe both would be happier if south and middle states split from coast ones.

It's also the urban centers from the rest of some states. For instance I live in MN, the city center is very blue and the rest of the state is not.

Inside vs outside of the city and wealthy inner and middle suburbs is a far more massive cultural divide than red state vs blue state, nominal political party membership, rich vs poor or anything else.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by steverb » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:18 PM UTC

Ekaros wrote: post #86

tfehring wrote: post #51

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I would be with you if it weren’t for the “or test” part. “You must get vaccinated” would be problematic, but “you must do a COVID test once a week if you’re not vaccinated” is totally reasonable IMO.

I think more reasonable stance would be to require employers offer sufficient protective gear for unvaccinated employees. Gas masks aren't that expensive. And any private person can at their own cost also buy such device to fully protect themselves.

Actually having had to wear a gas mask in the military for hours... I would LOVE to see this. If you think an N-95 grade mask is hard to breathe though, try wearing an NBC mask for 8 hours a day. :-)

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by psychometry » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:18 PM UTC

guscost wrote: post #272

Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

A yearly combination COVID and influenza shot will be the next mandate - at least in the fascist shitholes that are still subject to these rules.

Ah yes, the shithole states like Vermont and Massachusetts, which are so much unlike the paradise that is Mississippi.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by marexv » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

josho wrote: post #280

guscost wrote: post #244

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America will split into two societies - those who demand a yearly injection (and who knows what else) in exchange for access to basic goods and services, and those who do not. The ones who do not will gather in their own towns, cities, and states where this freedom is respected, and secured by militias. I will be in that latter society. Or civil war. Also possible.

I haven't spoken to an anti-vaxxer yet. Those that I've seen in the media have been completely irrational (5g/bill gates theories). So, I'm looking forward to learning from a rational person what their motivations are. What are your reasons to refuse a vaccine? Weren't you vaccinated as a child for polio & chicken pox? Why is this vaccine a hill to die on? Thanks.

Those vaccines were properly tested. These vaccines were developed hastily. In Europe they are still treated as test vaccines, so you have to sign a paper and take the full responsibility for any side effects. I've gotten this far without infection although I was exposed. I have decided I just don't wan't to risk it. Also I am prepared to give up my access to ICU if that is what it takes for gov to leave me alone, as far as I see, taking up beds is the biggest issue.

There are some other reasons, but those are purely related to political situation in my homeland.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

tolmasky wrote: post #317

md_ wrote: post #281

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It would probably save lives _and_ lower the cost of healthcare. This is why many employers already offer free on-site "influence" (heh) shots for employees: it makes good business sense. I'm never sure how to take objections like yours, because there are certainly a few different things to discuss. Is your objection to the government's role in this (such that you'd be fine with private employers enforcing whatever m…

If we lived in a non-influenza world that suddenly experienced influenza for the first time, we would think it's crazy to not only allow, but many times encourage, sick employees to come to work and basically take out the entire office. It's like just committing to losing a week's worth of productivity across the board. One nice benefit of going more remote is that we can hopefully "personalize" the cold/flu experien…

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Post by SketchySeaBeast » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

tolmasky wrote: post #317

md_ wrote: post #281

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It would probably save lives _and_ lower the cost of healthcare. This is why many employers already offer free on-site "influence" (heh) shots for employees: it makes good business sense. I'm never sure how to take objections like yours, because there are certainly a few different things to discuss. Is your objection to the government's role in this (such that you'd be fine with private employers enforcing whatever m…

If we lived in a non-influenza world that suddenly experienced influenza for the first time, we would think it's crazy to not only allow, but many times encourage, sick employees to come to work and basically take out the entire office. It's like just committing to losing a week's worth of productivity across the board. One nice benefit of going more remote is that we can hopefully "personalize" the cold/flu experien…

One would hope. My struggle previously with having a cold is that those can stick around for a week or two - until we set this new precedent for working from home I couldn't just disappear for a week because I didn't feel well so I'd inevitably take a day when it was especially bad, but then I'd come in and spread it around anyways.