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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by ctrlp »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #267
ctrlp wrote: post #203

Whether or not you agree if there is legal authority for mandates for this vaccine or this pandemic, where does it end? The trajectory we're on is for all people to be monitored by the State for compliance with the vaccine programs. Israel is already saying 4 shots (and more) will required [0] to participate in that society. Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are quasi-police states [1] and will probably mandate vacc…

We’ve had vaccine mandates (set by the states) to attend school for what, 50 years? Arguments like this are so tired and miss the forest for the trees. Maybe think of the healthcare professionals so burnt out and quitting because people are so indignant to get the shot and end up taking valuable hospital space. I’d take forcing these hold outs (and trampling on their fREeDoMs) to get the shot in exchange for a functi…

Arguments for thinking of the burnt-out healthcare professionals are tired and miss the forest for the trees. There are many reasons for healthcare professionals feeling burnt-out that pre-date Covid and were exacerbated by it. Where were your tears for them then?

You clearly don't value your liberty. (Maybe you don't even understand what it means, given your mockery.) Liberty refers to your right to govern yourself. If you would rather be governed by unelected administrative agencies, you'll be just fine in the new normal.

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Post by da_big_ghey »

DaftDank wrote: post #302
moistrobot wrote: post #284

We're getting closer to two Americas. Policies like these will only exacerbate the transition. Expect to mass over non-compliance from conservative states and businesses

There's always been two Americas, if not more. We've just tried to fool ourselves into believing otherwise for a long time.

Then why did we fight a war on keeping them together. Maybe both would be happier if south and middle states split from coast ones.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

atonse wrote: post #307
lotsofpulp wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless the healthcare provider is also selling life insurance policies, I do not understand how they would have “got hammered”.

Unless it was updated, OPs language said “and insurance companies” so I’m presuming they meant life insurance companies.

Maybe I read it wrong, but either way, life insurance companies have never required vaccinations after purchasing a policy to my knowledge, and if they did, it would have to be for new policies only. But I also feel like I would have read about it somewhere if that was true.

As far as I understand, ACA does not allow health insurance companies to require vaccinations to be eligible for coverage, but they can offer lower premiums in exchange for vaccinating.

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Post by jtbayly »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #267
ctrlp wrote: post #203

Whether or not you agree if there is legal authority for mandates for this vaccine or this pandemic, where does it end? The trajectory we're on is for all people to be monitored by the State for compliance with the vaccine programs. Israel is already saying 4 shots (and more) will required [0] to participate in that society. Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are quasi-police states [1] and will probably mandate vacc…

We’ve had vaccine mandates (set by the states) to attend school for what, 50 years? Arguments like this are so tired and miss the forest for the trees. Maybe think of the healthcare professionals so burnt out and quitting because people are so indignant to get the shot and end up taking valuable hospital space. I’d take forcing these hold outs (and trampling on their fREeDoMs) to get the shot in exchange for a functi…

Maybe think of the healthcare professionals who are being fired for refusing to get the vaccine because they believe it is medically improper for them to do so.

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Post by chiefalchemist »

dmitrygr wrote: post #3

> OSHA will issue an Emergency Temporary > Standard (ETS) to implement this requirement Is this "temporary" in the same way that the PATRIOT act and our invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 were "temporary"? Well, I guess one should never let a good crisis go to waste...

There's a bit in Ron Paul's "Revolution" where he points out that gov programs get added and grow but few are reduced or ended. His politics aside (i..e., regardless of party, he does have plenty of first hand experience), there's plenty of evidence to support this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolution:_A_Manifesto

Oddly enough, a couple of weeks ago at the local thrift store I picked up "The Secret History of the American Empire" by John Perkins. Even if only half of it is accurate, there's also plenty of reason to believe there are less than noble forces at work given the current changes and the opportunities they create.

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-secret-history-of-the-amer...

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Post by rmah »

Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

When I was a youth, most public schools mandated a variety of vaccinations. If you didn't get them, you couldn't go to school. Is that no longer the case?

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Post by halfmatthalfcat »

bedhead wrote: post #292
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’ve had vaccine mandates (set by the states) to attend school for what, 50 years? Arguments like this are so tired and miss the forest for the trees. Maybe think of the healthcare professionals so burnt out and quitting because people are so indignant to get the shot and end up taking valuable hospital space. I’d take forcing these hold outs (and trampling on their fREeDoMs) to get the shot in exchange for a functi…

You’re right that some schools have had a vaccine mandate. But neither the private nor public sector ever have. And we didn’t have the accompanying dystopian nightmare as a reality and further threat. So I would say your argument is tired and misses the point entirely, aside from being so brazenly naive to fall for the “if only these last few holdouts got vaccinated everything would be normal!” straw man. Keep on goo…

It's amazing how far some people will go (selfishly) to "protect" their perceived "freedom" at the expense of society. There really is something rotten in our society and it's not anything to do with authoritarianism but empathy, good grief.

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Post by longthrow1 »

tomrod wrote: post #295
guscost wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America will split into two societies - those who demand a yearly injection (and who knows what else) in exchange for access to basic goods and services, and those who do not. The ones who do not will gather in their own towns, cities, and states where this freedom is respected, and secured by militias. I will be in that latter society. Or civil war. Also possible.

Come on, quit fetishizing. Get vaccinated if you're medically able and let's get on with normalcy.

Have you gotten your swine flu vaccine yet? Fauci says it's completely safe. If you trust the government you should rush out and get it for yourself and any children you know.

Also, the fda has a perfect track record for only approving safe treatments, so why worry?

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Post by supergeek133 »

da_big_ghey wrote: post #322
DaftDank wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's always been two Americas, if not more. We've just tried to fool ourselves into believing otherwise for a long time.

Then why did we fight a war on keeping them together. Maybe both would be happier if south and middle states split from coast ones.

It's also the urban centers from the rest of some states. For instance I live in MN, the city center is very blue and the rest of the state is not.

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Post by xgb84j »

dadoge wrote: post #226
pibechorro wrote: post #174

Authoritarianism Incorporated.

Let me guess, seat belt mandates are also “authoritarian”? What about measles vaccine requirements? Have you complained about those recently? Believe it or not, there was a time when measles wasn’t a thing and very few question the need for a measles vaccine now. What about the broad polio vaccine rollout? Vaccine hesitancy has been a thing, but never this strongly along party lines

The main problem that I and many others have is not the policy of the month but how targets are shifting. When the measels vaccine was introduced it was clear that after one or two shots you were safe for many years if not for life. Seatbelts are not an irreversible medical procedure.

So my problem and the problem of many others is not focused on the policies in effect right now, but the direction in which the policies evolve.

If I had thought one or two years ago how the CCP was going to handle the pandemic, it would be pretty much the way the US, Germany and France handle it right now.

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