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Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by kcplate »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #55
Barrin92 wrote: post #51

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>It makes me wonder what the narrative against him would be I think the question is what the narrative for him is. His views probably most closely resemble what the Niskanen-Center dubbed 'liberaltarian' a few years ago and that doesn't have much of a constituency. This sort of slightly wonkish, business man, tech bro hybrid will find some voters among the kind of young male demographic you find here or on reddit but…

> Liberals aren't going to support the Milton Friedman-esque UBI ideas. Isn't that a liberal idea??

It’s a classic liberal idea, but today’s progressives who call themselves liberals bear pretty much zero resemblance to classic liberals.

UBI sounds great to the progressive left until they realize what the “U” stands for and that a Jeff Bezos receives the same exact check as Fred the burger flipper.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by kcplate »

Steko wrote: post #68
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #17

I registered as a Democrat to vote for Andrew in the CA primary. I find his view of the state of the USA is much more current and much less clouded by the twisted incentives that drive so many career politicians. He has positions on just about every topic and explains the rationale behind them. It makes me wonder what the narrative against him would be. In the 2020 primaries and election, he wasn't taken seriously by…

> In the 2020 primaries and election, he wasn't taken seriously by either dems or reps He was one of two Democratic candidates that had significant right wing support. As far as Dem's not taking him seriously, a big part of that is because he had no political experience and America's experiment in electing someone like that was an ongoing dumpster fire.

He also advocated eliminating the minimum wage. Or in other words…he wanted to slaughter the hell out of one of the two DNC sacred cows.

Can’t have that…radical ideas that aren’t party approved are bad

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by kcplate »

oxymoran wrote: post #23
jeffreyrogers wrote: post #4

Seems like you'd have better luck trying to capture the GOP than start another party. There is a large population of Republican voters that is not really "conservative", but just anti-Democrat. Someone who captured this base while remaining appealing to some moderates/independents would do quite well.

He wouldn’t be able to capture the GOP endorsing UBI and universal healthcare.

For the GOP it’s more his healthcare stance than UBI that sinks him. And ironically the flip side is true for democrats. A lot of democrats act like they support UBI, but they really don’t.

They think it’s just about giving money to the lower middle class downward. You tell them that UBI means giving a millionaire the same check as the poor guy and the hackles get raised.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by delfinom »

Schiendelman wrote: post #24
jdavis703 wrote: post #22

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The NY Democratic primary was RCV, and Yang still lost.

But because it was RCV, his loss didn’t spoil the election.

I mean it was a primary....the competitors were all democrats so no real harm done. It's an instant win in NYC for a dem afterwards as long as they don't fuck it up somehow.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by noahjk »

silisili wrote: post #109
UncleOxidant wrote: post #26

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> I suppose the question ultimately will be whether his party pull more votes from Democrats or Republicans I think it's pretty clear that he'd pull more Dems than Reps. That would be a very bad thing in 2024, so you'll probably see a lot of encouragement from Republicans and an lot of discouragement from Democrats.

This is such a discouraging and sad view point. I'm not saying it's wrong, just pessimistic, and not blaming you for saying it just venting. Who cares if it's more x than y. Most voters are moderates. Myself, and many moderates, feel completely unrepresented by either side. Not liberal enough to vote D, and not conservative enough to vote R. You'd think they'd be drifting together, but increasingly are drifting furth…

A lot of my views trend liberal, but I don't really feel very well represented by the Democratic Party... really I think we would do better to have multiple smaller parties and a better voting system, and to somehow remove the giant monetary influences that seem to corrupt all decision making.

The past five years have really done a number on us all. You're right about the huge divide that's developed, it's scary.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by iammisc »

krapp wrote: post #81
dsr_ wrote: post #59

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All the Republican Party needs is for DJT to die of natural causes, so that candidates can quibble over who is the true inheritor of his mantle. Eight years after that the name of Trump will be invoked as a meaningless benediction the way that Reagan is used now.

>All the Republican Party needs is for DJT to die of natural causes, so that candidates can quibble over who is the true inheritor of his mantle I think Trump stopped being a viable figurehead for his own movement once the stop-the-steal movement and insurrection failed to prevent Biden's election, and date after date after date for Trump's triumphant return passed without incident. Republicans are going to have to m…

You're right. Most republicans I've talked with, myself included, want someone like trump but more conservative and more effective. Given that that person has not yet materialized, it's the party of trump until they appear.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by js2 »

noahjk wrote: post #125
silisili wrote: post #109

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This is such a discouraging and sad view point. I'm not saying it's wrong, just pessimistic, and not blaming you for saying it just venting. Who cares if it's more x than y. Most voters are moderates. Myself, and many moderates, feel completely unrepresented by either side. Not liberal enough to vote D, and not conservative enough to vote R. You'd think they'd be drifting together, but increasingly are drifting furth…

A lot of my views trend liberal, but I don't really feel very well represented by the Democratic Party... really I think we would do better to have multiple smaller parties and a better voting system, and to somehow remove the giant monetary influences that seem to corrupt all decision making. The past five years have really done a number on us all. You're right about the huge divide that's developed, it's scary.

You might be interested in this:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/08/opinion/repub...

https://oxford.universitypressscholarship.com/view/10.1093/o...

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by geofft »

kcplate wrote: post #122
Steko wrote: post #68

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> In the 2020 primaries and election, he wasn't taken seriously by either dems or reps He was one of two Democratic candidates that had significant right wing support. As far as Dem's not taking him seriously, a big part of that is because he had no political experience and America's experiment in electing someone like that was an ongoing dumpster fire.

He also advocated eliminating the minimum wage. Or in other words…he wanted to slaughter the hell out of one of the two DNC sacred cows. Can’t have that…radical ideas that aren’t party approved are bad

I mean, the party has to stand for something, otherwise it's not a party anymore. Imagine a Republican candidate who wanted to increase funding to Planned Parenthood and also repeal the Second Amendment. Both are defensible ideas, but if you want to be a presidential candidate with one of those ideas, the Republican Party is not for you. The Democrats are no different.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Post by spookthesunset »

noahjk wrote: post #125
silisili wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a discouraging and sad view point. I'm not saying it's wrong, just pessimistic, and not blaming you for saying it just venting. Who cares if it's more x than y. Most voters are moderates. Myself, and many moderates, feel completely unrepresented by either side. Not liberal enough to vote D, and not conservative enough to vote R. You'd think they'd be drifting together, but increasingly are drifting furth…

A lot of my views trend liberal, but I don't really feel very well represented by the Democratic Party... really I think we would do better to have multiple smaller parties and a better voting system, and to somehow remove the giant monetary influences that seem to corrupt all decision making. The past five years have really done a number on us all. You're right about the huge divide that's developed, it's scary.

> The past five years have really done a number on us all

Which only got 100x worse in the last 1.7 years. I've traditionally identified as a (D) but holy moly... now I'm partyless....

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