Yang is not dumb so I have to think there is something more to this than some sort of quixotic attempt at an actual 3rd party. Much better and richer politicians than him have tried that and failed badly.
Andrew Yang to launch a third party
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Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party
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> I suppose the question ultimately will be whether his party pull more votes from Democrats or Republicans I think it's pretty clear that he'd pull more Dems than Reps. That would be a very bad thing in 2024, so you'll probably see a lot of encouragement from Republicans and an lot of discouragement from Democrats.
The real ultimate question is whether post-Trumpism will unite the Republican Party or result in a schism among Conservatives by 2024.
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Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party
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Pretty much what's happening in Canada. The NDP (left) currently polls at about 20% which would usually go to Liberals (center-left). Liberals and Conservatives (right) are now tied at 35% because of this. Unfortunately the current Liberal PM promised "election reform" last election but didn't follow through. Now he might lose his minority gov.
Canadian here. I understand the appeal of ranked choice voting for citizens, but I don't see either the Liberals or Conservatives supporting it. On the Liberal side, they will always have the idea of strategic voting, where they tell progressive voters "A vote for the NDP/Greens is a wasted vote that will get the Conservatives elected." On the Conservative side, the next closest party is the Liberals. So their voter…
I think we'd see a more left-leaning government overall though. But it would essentially be a permanent minority in parliament, which is not appealing to some people who want a more active government.
> PPC is irrelevant
Let's just hope they stay that way, the guy in my (very liberal) riding is completely off the handle with antivax stuff on twitter.
Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I suppose the question ultimately will be whether his party pull more votes from Democrats or Republicans I think it's pretty clear that he'd pull more Dems than Reps. That would be a very bad thing in 2024, so you'll probably see a lot of encouragement from Republicans and an lot of discouragement from Democrats.
The real ultimate question is whether post-Trumpism will unite the Republican Party or result in a schism among Conservatives by 2024.
I'm not sure if it's just a vocal minority, but it sure seems to be the Party of Trump, no longer the Republican Party.
Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party
#45Seems like you'd have better luck trying to capture the GOP than start another party. There is a large population of Republican voters that is not really "conservative", but just anti-Democrat. Someone who captured this base while remaining appealing to some moderates/independents would do quite well.
Yep the GOP needed a long term project like the Labor had in the UK to remove clause 4 and kick out the "tankie" / "hobbyist" element.
One member one vote instead of primaries would be a good start as would be outlawing the presidential "venal offices" an have a fully professional civil service.
The Big companies need to get together and support Eisenhower era sensible GOP candidates.
Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party
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The NY Democratic primary was RCV, and Yang still lost.
Regardless of whether he lost or not, RCV allows you to vote for who you really want to support without being concerned you may be wasting your vote.
To be a pedant, you should rank those likely to make it to the last round, but with the spots left over (working your way from your last choice up) you can rank whoever you want.
Eric Adams won by a smidgen, and yet 15% of ballots were invalid by the last round. Perhaps those 15% gave 0 fucks about Garcia vs Adams, or perhaps they were mistaken about how best to vote.
We really need proportional representation, but don't get me wrong IRV (instant-runoff voting) is still better than FPTP.
Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party
#47Seems like you'd have better luck trying to capture the GOP than start another party. There is a large population of Republican voters that is not really "conservative", but just anti-Democrat. Someone who captured this base while remaining appealing to some moderates/independents would do quite well.
He wouldn’t be able to capture the GOP endorsing UBI and universal healthcare.
Boris seems to be trying to pivot some aspects of the conservative party that way.
Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party
#48I registered as a Democrat to vote for Andrew in the CA primary. I find his view of the state of the USA is much more current and much less clouded by the twisted incentives that drive so many career politicians. He has positions on just about every topic and explains the rationale behind them. It makes me wonder what the narrative against him would be. In the 2020 primaries and election, he wasn't taken seriously by…
The argument against him is the same argument against Obama.
This is the age of Networks. Replacing one central node in a gigantic hierarchy of power doesnt seem to really do anything. There are too many hubs that need to be replaced to get anything done.
Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party
#49Seems like you'd have better luck trying to capture the GOP than start another party. There is a large population of Republican voters that is not really "conservative", but just anti-Democrat. Someone who captured this base while remaining appealing to some moderates/independents would do quite well.
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Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party
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Regardless of whether he lost or not, RCV allows you to vote for who you really want to support without being concerned you may be wasting your vote.
To be a pedant, you should rank those likely to make it to the last round, but with the spots left over (working your way from your last choice up) you can rank whoever you want. Eric Adams won by a smidgen, and yet 15% of ballots were invalid by the last round. Perhaps those 15% gave 0 fucks about Garcia vs Adams, or perhaps they were mistaken about how best to vote. We really need proportional representation, but d…
None of these systems are perfect. I lived in Italy for a number of years and... boy oh boy does proportional representation have its own series of problems.
RCV seems like an attainable reform though, and better than the current system.