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Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by teawrecks »

asdff wrote: post #124
mc32 wrote: post #117

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You are too optimistic. The US got too involved in too many wars for the wrong reasons and we got weary of them. China sees this as a weakness (admittedly). If the US does not flinch, no one else will and we won’t and no one else will. We know terrible things are happening en masse in Xinjiang, Iran does terrible things to dissidents, north Korea does terrible things. China and N Korea have nukes. Iran is close. In t…

US has sophisticated missile defense systems and enough nukes to send the entire continent of asia back to the stone age. A nuclear war started by any other nation than the U.S. is literally suicide, and these world leaders know it which is why all there has been since WWII in terms of nuclear warfare is saber rattling.

The ability to "nuke an entire continent" isn't saber rattling, it's holding a dead man's switch. All major powers have been holding them for decades, and piling more nukes on doesn't make any difference at this point. All mutually assured destruction does is prevent attacks in the physical domain from happening*. So instead the fights continue in the political, economic, and digital domains. If anyone makes a physical attack in response to a nonphysical one, they have already lost.

* against other major powers, of course. Major powers themselves continue to test what they can get away with. Russia moving into Crimea. China saying "What? These guys have always been part of China. Do something, I dare you."

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Post by IX-103 »

asdff wrote: post #156
yodsanklai wrote: post #144

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>US has sophisticated missile defense systems and enough nukes to send the entire continent of asia back to the stone age So does China with the US.

China's arsenal is almost a full order of magnitude smaller than just what the US has currently deployed and ready for launch (not counting the rest of the stockpile which is like 4x the size). We have enough weaponry to completely overwhelm their defenses. China does not.

Not to mention that the US deployed strategic arms in more diverse locations (other countries), making a first strike against them that takes out most of their response capability difficult to pull off successfully.

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Post by frostburg »

gogopuppygogo wrote: post #145
yodsanklai wrote: post #138

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The amount of effort China is putting to sabotage Taiwan independence is astonishing. I have Taiwanese relatives and I'm very worried for them.

The USA has been losing all war games where it defends Tawain against China. https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/us-war-games-over-china-threat... It is not okay to assume USA supremacy against adversaries anymore. Why Americans still do business with China is astounding to me.

Keep in mind that those results are publicized to argue for budgets.

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Post by tomrod »

neom wrote: post #165
gogopuppygogo wrote: post #145

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The USA has been losing all war games where it defends Tawain against China. https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/us-war-games-over-china-threat... It is not okay to assume USA supremacy against adversaries anymore. Why Americans still do business with China is astounding to me.

The only thing that will stop china from interfering in Taiwan is, universal consciousness willing, South Korea and Japan along with the other Asian nations having enough sway with China to keep them at bay. I very much prefer not to entertain WW3, but as others have said many times recently, if it is going to start, it may very well be over Taiwan.

The issue is, the CCP sees Taiwan as theirs when in reality China belongs to Taiwan.

It would seem a treaty acknowledging Taiwan as an independent sovereign would be an ideal outcome, but it's weird to see nations express wounded pride, imo

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Post by nl »

tomrod wrote: post #174
neom wrote: post #165

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The only thing that will stop china from interfering in Taiwan is, universal consciousness willing, South Korea and Japan along with the other Asian nations having enough sway with China to keep them at bay. I very much prefer not to entertain WW3, but as others have said many times recently, if it is going to start, it may very well be over Taiwan.

The issue is, the CCP sees Taiwan as theirs when in reality China belongs to Taiwan. It would seem a treaty acknowledging Taiwan as an independent sovereign would be an ideal outcome, but it's weird to see nations express wounded pride, imo

> The issue is, the CCP sees Taiwan as theirs when in reality China belongs to Taiwan.

What on earth is this supposed to mean?

I'm no fan of the Chinese government, but trying to claim it is illegitimate seems a pretty big stretch.

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Post by _AzMoo »

stickfigure wrote: post #170
yuy910616 wrote: post #20

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Really reminds me of the Taiwan election commercial that compares Taiwan and Hong Kong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykcVIQMrc4A

Honest question: Why not just give Taiwan nukes? MAD seems to be a very effective peace strategy. China already has nukes. Seems the essential missing ingredient is the 'M'.

You couldn't possibly give them enough to make it Assured Destruction.

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Post by eloisius »

stickfigure wrote: post #170
yuy910616 wrote: post #20

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Really reminds me of the Taiwan election commercial that compares Taiwan and Hong Kong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykcVIQMrc4A

Honest question: Why not just give Taiwan nukes? MAD seems to be a very effective peace strategy. China already has nukes. Seems the essential missing ingredient is the 'M'.

ROC had its own nuclear program in the past and almost made it to the point of being able to produce their own. The US, of all parties, intervened to have it stopped. Probably because Chiang was an unhinged madman intent on retaking the mainland. ROC is now an imminently nuclear nation. Something like six months away from having nukes at any time.

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Post by bellyfullofbac »

swayvil wrote: post #139
bellyfullofbac wrote: post #59

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Reading this, I find it funny how so many people have an image of their "enemies" in their minds and laugh at the idiocy they've mentally constructed for these enemies.

I wouldn't know. The post was "flagged". Which is apparently newspeak for "censored". This 1984 shit is getting so casual.

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Post by baby »

imglorp wrote: post #12
88840-8855 wrote: post #7

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I know it is a joke, but they do not deny the event. They just put it into a different context. It goes something like: 2000 lives for 20 years of stability. Well, actually 30 years now.

That would be an interesting tradeoff conversation if true. But they basically do deny the event by claiming only 300 dead and then villainizing the victims of an atrocity.

They are saying no death, where did you read 300?
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