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I refuse to comply with this over reach and I’m fully vaccinated
I vaccinated within days of becoming eligible and I'm 100% against this mandate. To such an extent that I'll become a single-issue voter over it.
What's that term for the fusion of state and corporate power?
Italian Fascism promoted a corporatist economic system whereby employer and employee syndicates are linked together in associations to collectively represent the nation's economic producers and work alongside the state to set national economic policy.[0]
[0] Andrew Vincent. Modern Political Ideologies. Third edition. Malden, Massaschussetts, USA; Oxford, England, UK; West Sussex, England, UK: Blackwell Publishers Ltd., 2010. Pp. 160. URL: https://books.google.com/books/about/Modern_Political_Ideolo...
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Because it alters the risk/benefit calculus. A sterilizing vaccine that stops transmission in its tracks, has a clear public health benefit to every part of society, even if there are risks. A non-sterilizing vaccine does not provide that society-wide public health benefit, leaving the employer to bear risks without benefit.
But the COVID vaccine does provide a society-wide public health benefit. Our best available data indicates that it reduces the risk of transmission, even for Delta [1]. 1. https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/09/07/covid-19-vaccines-preve...
https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
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Sadly, there won't be nearly enough who feel as you do. But I wholeheartedly applaud your statement!
Created this throwaway to say that there are at least some others who agree but are too scared of the current cultural tone to speak openly about this. I feel thoroughly alienated from my peer-group and family over their fervor for this response and against any who disagree.
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absolutely. I was hired this year to learn how the hell all the complicated stuff the 55- and 65-year-old programmers do every day works, and I've only learned a fraction of it so far.
Seems they filled the position as recently as 7 months ago.
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I vaccinated within days of becoming eligible and I'm 100% against this mandate. To such an extent that I'll become a single-issue voter over it.
I would be with you if it weren’t for the “or test” part. “You must get vaccinated” would be problematic, but “you must do a COVID test once a week if you’re not vaccinated” is totally reasonable IMO.
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I think “prevent” is too imprecise a term here. The vaccines don’t eliminate the risk of spreading the virus to others. They do materially reduce the risk of spreading the virus to others.
They increase the risk of asymptomatic transmission, because vaccines suppress the symptoms of infection, which would otherwise signal the infected person to quarantine. The CDC says this can be addressed by regular testing of the vaccinated, https://archive.is/PW9SP > The agency now advises that vaccinated people be tested for the virus if they come into contact with someone with Covid-19, even if they have no sympt…
I'm not sure that people who have chosen not to get vaccinated by this point are going to be the people who follow self-quarantine rules well.
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I would be with you if it weren’t for the “or test” part. “You must get vaccinated” would be problematic, but “you must do a COVID test once a week if you’re not vaccinated” is totally reasonable IMO.
Give it a few months. First they will pass the costs onto the employee, then they will take away the option altogether. Mark my words.
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They increase the risk of asymptomatic transmission, because vaccines suppress the symptoms of infection, which would otherwise signal the infected person to quarantine. The CDC says this can be addressed by regular testing of the vaccinated, https://archive.is/PW9SP > The agency now advises that vaccinated people be tested for the virus if they come into contact with someone with Covid-19, even if they have no sympt…
> symptoms of infection, which would otherwise signal the infected person to quarantine I'm not sure that people who have chosen not to get vaccinated by this point are going to be the people who follow self-quarantine rules well.
That leaves the subset of non-immune people who are unvaccinated. If this hypothetical person is reckless (as your comment suggests), should they not have already been infected in the past 18 months? If they were not infected in 18 months, that suggests at least some ability to isolate and self-monitor.
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Give it a few months. First they will pass the costs onto the employee, then they will take away the option altogether. Mark my words.
With a $14k fine per violation, I doubt most employers will give employees the option to test weekly. That's too much of a liability.