How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016) • Hacker News Board

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by bserge » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 7:53 PM UTC

marcus_holmes wrote: post #228

bserge wrote: post #198

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Yeah, you'd think so. I thought so. But I can't get myself to die. After death, there's nothing . And I understand now why some people say it's terrifying. Between decades of suffering or eternity of nothing , what would you choose? Don't half ass the answer, go on a bridge with a heavy backpack zip tied to yourself, put a loaded gun to your head or have a fistful of TCA pills in your hand, whatever, then answer it.…

I was depressed for a lot of the last ten years. I thought about ending it all a lot. Part of my calm acceptance now is because of facing it so much back then. If you're seriously contemplating it, because life is suffering, know that it's not always like that. This too shall pass. There are good times too. My life now is something I could not have imagined achieving back when I was depressed and couldn't see any fut…

Don't worry, other lives will end before mine.

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by scotty79 » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 8:14 PM UTC

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #244

scotty79 wrote: post #229

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Being punished for not doing something is the same as being forced to do this. And being responsible for getting pregnant shouldn't be automatically punished with being forced to risk your health and life for benefit of human that is not you. Unless pregnancy is a crime there should be no punishment at all. Let alone the corporal punisment.

> And being responsible for getting pregnant shouldn't be automatically punished with being forced to risk your health and life for benefit of human that is not you. Why not? Those are the stakes of sex and we all know it going in. I'm a man, but I know that if I accidentally get a woman pregnant one of the consequences will be being forced to monetarily support the resulting child. She knows going in that pregnancy…

> Why not?

Because getting pregnant is not a crime so it shouldn't be punished.

> Those are the stakes of sex and we all know it going in.

You can say that about crimes as well. Knowing the stakes doesn't mean that something that follows is not a punishment. And we should be punishing only crimes. And we shouldn't be using corporal punishments at all.

> I'm a man, but I know that if I accidentally get a woman pregnant one of the consequences will be being forced to monetarily support the resulting child.

That's a horrible idea too unless you are voluntarily choosing to do it.

> Neither of us is "innocent" here, we both took a gamble and lost.

That doesn't mean either of you should suffer any punishment.

> The question is, if one believes that a fetus is a person with a right to life, do we not also believe that those who knowingly engaged in its creation have a responsibility towards it?

Even if you believe a fetus is as much of a person as adult human you still can't compel other human to risk her health and life for that person even if not risking it means this person dies. Even if she's responsible for giving this human life.

Human that needs a kidney also has the right to live but you can't ensure that right is fulfilled by taking involuntarily kidneys of other people.

What's more, even if your child needs a kidney to survive you are not obliged to provide it and punished for not doing so.

An yet if somebody needs a uterus (and the rest of your body with all it's fragile systems) you are forced to provide it if it's your kid.

> Having children is not a crime, yet we routinely force people to be responsible for their children. One could say that the crime is being irresponsible, but then one could just as easily say the same about terminating a pregnancy.

When the child is born, you don't have to take it with you from the hospital. If you did, you voluntarily assumed the rights of a parent with all the responsibilities. When you neglect a child you are punished for violation of this voluntary agreement.

You don't voluntarily agree to getting pregnant and giving birth unless you are planning it and wanting it. Having sex is not acceptance of being forced to deliver a child. Acceptance could be assumed if having children was the only reason people have sex. But people use sex as communication and bonding tool.

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by finder83 » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 8:19 PM UTC

eurasiantiger wrote: post #139

alentist wrote: post #138

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Christians are more generous than the general population, so your tripe makes no sense. https://www.hoover.org/research/religious-faith-and-charitab... > The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent). ht…

I’m not referring to giving or philanthropy, I’m referring to the ”suffering erases sins” mindset perpetuated by Christians. It is Jesus’ final message. Sin does not exist, they made it up to make themselves and others suffer. Have you considered that some people are so keen on giving away their fortunes because it makes them suffer more, and thus makes them think they are now cleaner in God’s eyes?

Are you saying that "suffering erases sin" is Jesus' final message?

The Christian message is that there's nothing we can do in our own power to erase sin, including suffering, hence the need for Jesus in the first place.

Death in Christianity is the final release from sin and its consequences, e.g. suffering, and into eternal joy...and being released of the weight of the consequences of sin eternally is supposed to bring joy and love in this life.

So I have no idea what you're talking about.

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by sizzle » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 8:30 PM UTC

noneeeed wrote: post #187

type0 wrote: post #164

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> how lost cause lamb "miraculously" recovered after big dose pain killer this probably have to do with movement (which applies to other animals and humans) if they feel pain they don't move, that slows down the blood circulation and the healing process.

This is ultimately what killed my mum. She stopped moving. Once that happens so many things in the body just don't work so well. Combined with her other ailments her body just didn't work properly any more. She initially went down-hill after she was weaned off the steroids she had been on during treatment for a benign brain tumour. Obviously the tumour and the radiotherapy didn't help things, but her health dropped o…

Sorry for your loss

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 8:38 PM UTC

scotty79 wrote: post #262

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #244

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> And being responsible for getting pregnant shouldn't be automatically punished with being forced to risk your health and life for benefit of human that is not you. Why not? Those are the stakes of sex and we all know it going in. I'm a man, but I know that if I accidentally get a woman pregnant one of the consequences will be being forced to monetarily support the resulting child. She knows going in that pregnancy…

> Why not? Because getting pregnant is not a crime so it shouldn't be punished. > Those are the stakes of sex and we all know it going in. You can say that about crimes as well. Knowing the stakes doesn't mean that something that follows is not a punishment. And we should be punishing only crimes. And we shouldn't be using corporal punishments at all. > I'm a man, but I know that if I accidentally get a woman pregnan…

> Having sex is not acceptance of being forced to deliver a child. [...] You don't voluntarily agree to getting pregnant and giving birth unless you are planning it and wanting it.

When people engage in sports they don't voluntarily agree to being injured or injuring others, they don't plan for or want it, yet these things are known risks of playing sports.

I'm saying that having sex, something that no one needs to do to survive, is acceptance of the risk of becoming pregnant[0], the same way that playing a sport is acceptance of the risk of becoming injured. If people choose to engage in activity with a known risk of a certain outcome, is that outcome not their responsibility should it occur?

> When the child is born, you don't have to take it with you from the hospital. If you did, you voluntarily assumed the rights of a parent with all the responsibilities. When you neglect a child you are punished for violation of this voluntary agreement.

Given that sex is a voluntary act with known risks, one that no one forced you to engage in, I do not think that it is unreasonable to apply the same standard: you have assumed the responsibilities of pregnancy and can, conceptually[1], be punished for violation of that responsibility.

[0] For the sake of brevity it should be assumed that by "becoming pregnant" I am referring to the state of both sexes as regards their potential future state of parenthood.

[1] I don't necessarily agree with doing so, I just don't think the issue is nearly as neat and tidy as people make it out to be.

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by copperx » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 8:57 PM UTC

BoxOfRain wrote: post #195

wombatmobile wrote: post #127

The important difference between physicians and non-physicians in relation to death is not that doctors understand disease mechanisms. It is that doctor's are familiar with death. Ordinary people aren't as familiar with death, and don't have a wide range of responses to it because society hides it and pretends it doesn't exist. The main place regular people encounter death is on the news as a statistic of war and cri…

>Ordinary people aren't as familiar with death, and don't have a wide range of responses to it because society hides it and pretends it doesn't exist. I relate to this so much. I had a period of staring my potential death in the face and there is nothing in modern society that prepares you for that. I was completely rudderless for a while because I had literally no social context in which death could be faced without…

Art films don't have this problem, and that's where I've had my media exposure to death.

If you want to know about how hard life can get after the death of someone, I cannot recommend Blue by Kieslowsky enough.

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by eurasiantiger » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 10:05 PM UTC

finder83 wrote: post #263

eurasiantiger wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not referring to giving or philanthropy, I’m referring to the ”suffering erases sins” mindset perpetuated by Christians. It is Jesus’ final message. Sin does not exist, they made it up to make themselves and others suffer. Have you considered that some people are so keen on giving away their fortunes because it makes them suffer more, and thus makes them think they are now cleaner in God’s eyes?

Are you saying that "suffering erases sin" is Jesus' final message? The Christian message is that there's nothing we can do in our own power to erase sin, including suffering, hence the need for Jesus in the first place. Death in Christianity is the final release from sin and its consequences, e.g. suffering, and into eternal joy...and being released of the weight of the consequences of sin eternally is supposed to b…

Explain Mother Theresa, as well as the flagellants and other penitents.

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by alentist » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 10:05 PM UTC

eurasiantiger wrote: post #155

alentist wrote: post #143

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Have you considered basing your characterization of 2.5 billion people on reality, rather than your own twisted mental gymnastics and fabrication of their beliefs?

I am basing my characterization on hundreds of associates, acquaintances and encounters, as well as second-hand anecdotes, from a time span of three decades.

Based on the content your earlier comment, it's abundantly clear that you're lying.

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by alentist » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 10:06 PM UTC

selimthegrim wrote: post #240

eurasiantiger wrote: post #155

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I am basing my characterization on hundreds of associates, acquaintances and encounters, as well as second-hand anecdotes, from a time span of three decades.

None other than the founder of EWTN, as well as Mother Teresa agreed with him.

So 2 people out of billions? And can you prove your claim for both?

Re: How Doctors die. It’s not like the rest of us (2016)

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Post by alentist » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 10:08 PM UTC

eurasiantiger wrote: post #267

finder83 wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that "suffering erases sin" is Jesus' final message? The Christian message is that there's nothing we can do in our own power to erase sin, including suffering, hence the need for Jesus in the first place. Death in Christianity is the final release from sin and its consequences, e.g. suffering, and into eternal joy...and being released of the weight of the consequences of sin eternally is supposed to b…

Explain Mother Theresa, as well as the flagellants and other penitents.

What about them?