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Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by GekkePrutser »

karaterobot wrote: post #23
jmclnx wrote: post #5

I really wish the US and Europe would get *lls and punish China for breaking the treaty with Hong Kong and the UK

Tariffs? We tried a trade war, and it had some economic effect, but no lasting political effect. We probably don't want to get involved in another land war in Asia, if we can avoid it. We could try asking them nicely, but beyond that I feel like it's up to the people of China to decide their own fate.

A land war against China over Hong Kong would be ridiculous. They have the entire country as a base. The western countries would have to fly/sail everything in. Not to mention the legal situation. It's their soil already. It would be an invasion. Against another superpower no less. Really bad idea.

And China can hurt the city enough by just turning the water off. It will only hurt the people of Hong Kong more.

No, this change won't be driven by the military. It will have to come from within. Probably the most durable way anyway (see how this worked out for Afghanistan).

Taiwan would be a totally different thing though. They have been independent for so long and they have no wish to join communist China (which they've never been a part of). And it's much more defensible. I do hope we will stand by them when it comes to it.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by niij »

vmception wrote: post #24
kunagi7 wrote: post #9

The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

What’s going on in Macau? I thought there is no contention there. They can if they want, they can do the perpetual lease if they want.

Portugal gave up their perpetual lease of Macau in 1999.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by 0cVlTeIATBs »

psim1 wrote: post #10

I visited this museum in 2016. It was incredible to see this on Chinese soil. Hong Kong had a mere 20 years of being truly Hong Kong, free of the UK and generally free of China. Now it is just more China.

I visited in 2016, too. The fellow there recommended that to learn more about China I should visit Taiwan. At the time I thought that was a pessimistic point of view.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by ssully »

president wrote: post #18
kunagi7 wrote: post #9

The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

Very sad and parallels what seems to be happening in the US and other western democracies as well. There is a trend of certain dominant power in all of these countries that is quashing all opposing voices. I predict that some major global events are going to happen within the next few years. EDIT: Case in point - the quashing of opposing voices occurs on this board on this very comment. You cannot even bring up this…

Are people using the downvote button incorrectly here?

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by krapp »

chasd00 wrote: post #80
analognoise wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whose voice is getting quashed in the US? Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter, email, phones, a magazine, protests, their own news channels, subReddits. What group doesn't have all those things? Whose voice is being quashed - exactly? Even straight up Nazis have websites, newsletters, gatherings, organized protest marches and Facebook pages. The fucking Taliban is on Twitter. So...who is being quashed because of their b…

For one, it's well known in tech that you're putting your job/livelihood at risk by speaking contrary to the political groupthink. Many people who didn't vote for Clinton or Biden are effectively in career hiding. Threatening someone's job over their beliefs/opinions is very effective censorship.

>Many people who didn't vote for Clinton or Biden are effectively in career hiding.

Are they? Where? In the American South, where I live, Republicans, Conservatives and Trumpists are still loud and proud, and gainfully employed.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by jogu »

Gray0Ed wrote: post #35
masterof0 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? Another war? I'm having a hard time believing the economic elite in the US will be in favor of loosing business in China.

Sponsor relocation to US/UK/Taiwan for any HK citizen who wants it? HK will have 0 value to China if every educated person leaves it.

While not sponsored exactly, the UK has made some targeted changes to visa policies that make it easier for people in Honk Kong to relocate to the UK.

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Post by jhgb »

pphysch wrote: post #42
sneak wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the same kind of suppression, not by a long stretch. You're still legally entitled to stand on a street corner in the US and shout racial slurs, if that's your thing. You're also legally entitled to assemble and protest there. None of the undertakings that are equivalent to those actions are permitted in China, and will immediately subject you to violence.

Of course USA does not have hate speech laws. But there is considerable extralegal hate speech regulation. Your face will be plastered all over social media and you will get "cancelled" and lose your career, and no "free speech" laws will protect you from that.

> But there is considerable extralegal hate speech regulation. Your face will be plastered all over social media and you will get "cancelled" and lose your career

That's a pretty convoluted way to say "people in the US don't tolerate assholes".

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Post by another_story »

temp8964 wrote: post #60
president wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very sad and parallels what seems to be happening in the US and other western democracies as well. There is a trend of certain dominant power in all of these countries that is quashing all opposing voices. I predict that some major global events are going to happen within the next few years. EDIT: Case in point - the quashing of opposing voices occurs on this board on this very comment. You cannot even bring up this…

The parallels are: Both driven by the left. Both claim nothing will happen, it’s just a myth, people are just being paranoid. Purge is the common theme across the history of leftism.

Define what you mean by left.

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Post by jjoonathan »

temp8964 wrote: post #79
analognoise wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whose voice is getting quashed in the US? Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter, email, phones, a magazine, protests, their own news channels, subReddits. What group doesn't have all those things? Whose voice is being quashed - exactly? Even straight up Nazis have websites, newsletters, gatherings, organized protest marches and Facebook pages. The fucking Taliban is on Twitter. So...who is being quashed because of their b…

I have a quick example: the former president.

...and what did he do to get banned?

(Hint: it wasn't "having ideas.")

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by alentist »

analognoise wrote: post #71
president wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very sad and parallels what seems to be happening in the US and other western democracies as well. There is a trend of certain dominant power in all of these countries that is quashing all opposing voices. I predict that some major global events are going to happen within the next few years. EDIT: Case in point - the quashing of opposing voices occurs on this board on this very comment. You cannot even bring up this…

Whose voice is getting quashed in the US? Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter, email, phones, a magazine, protests, their own news channels, subReddits. What group doesn't have all those things? Whose voice is being quashed - exactly? Even straight up Nazis have websites, newsletters, gatherings, organized protest marches and Facebook pages. The fucking Taliban is on Twitter. So...who is being quashed because of their b…

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