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The US Government tried to kill weed smokers with a toxic chemical in the 1980s

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throwawaylinux wrote: post #29
dngray wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is we actually know what is in the vaccines and how they are produced. They're also not produced by one single company, we've got pfizer, moderna and a number of others working independently over international borders. Not only that there's not exactly much sense in having many people die of a preventable disease. That costs government both in reduced productivity and healthcare. It also encourages har…

You're right, never ever have a bunch of corporations and governments colluded to be dishonest with people for their own gain. Never happened in anything related to the Middle East, South America, India, the Gulf of Mexico, tobacco, climate change, asbestos, banking bailouts, subprime mortgages, or anything else. Now let's all go bash the first fascist we find daring to question our benevolent corporate-government ov…

> You're right, never ever have a bunch of corporations and governments colluded to be dishonest with people for their own gain.

There would have to be an awfully lot of people keeping that super awful secret. Corporations are made up of people and it would only take one of them to talk. Things don't usually stay a secret when that many people know about it.

Also third party scientists are able to read, comprehend papers that are written, so it's pretty unlikely in this day and age of being able to read any paper you want.

I think you missed my point which was that having the virus spread isn't beneficial to governments, corporations or anyone wanting the status quo to remain the same.

Re: The US Government tried to kill weed smokers with a toxic chemical in the 1980s

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Post by ncmncm »

Reagan has much more to answer for.

The current US epidemic of Metabolic Disorder, killing way, way more than COVID-19, is a product of his Agriculture Secretary Earl Butz's program to institute absolutely massive over-production of corn. There was so much of it that it had to be turned into high-fructose corn sugar; then, a market for that had to be generated. So they demonized saturated fat and promoted adding sugar in its place.

And, here we are. Saturated fat has turned out to be totally harmless. What was blamed on it was caused, instead, by trans fats ("partially hydrogenated vegetable oil") added to replace it, and sugar.

Fred Kummerow spent his whole career, since the '50s, working to get trans fats out of the US diet, since he had proved they were responsible for the epidemic of circulatory disease. Trans fats were, finally, officially banned in 2017, although certain well-connected companies still have special permission to continue poisoning food with them.

To learn more about Metabolic Disorder, the best place I know to start is Robert Lustig's youtube lectures, and books. Short story: "sugar" is half glucose, which is relatively harmless, and half fructose, which your liver must process as a toxin. When fructose is ingested without enough fiber to slow its absorption, your liver takes a huge hit. It processes fructose by the same process as alcohol, and too much has the same effect as too much alcohol. (American children are getting liver disease just like alcoholics! Brits, Indians, and Pakistanis, too.) Take enough fiber with your sugar and you are OK. But all of industrial food processing is devoted to removing and throwing away fiber.

You can start healing your liver, fast, just by ensuring everything you eat has enough fiber: eliminate white flour, white rice, juice, and Red Bull. Livers have enormous regenerative ability, once you stop actively injuring them.

Re: The US Government tried to kill weed smokers with a toxic chemical in the 1980s

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

flyingcircus3 wrote: post #36
throwawaylinux wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you calling me a purveyor of FUD because I suggested that governments and corporations are not to be implicitly trusted?

No, I'm calling you one because you've played six degrees of vaccine misinformation on an article about the US government using herbicide. You haven't made any defensible claims, you've just injected uncertainty for uncertainty's sake.

He showed why a trust recession is a very real thing.. And you'd be ignorant to not take it in mind.

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Post by kook_throwaway »

orwin wrote: post #37
kook_throwaway wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said it altered DNA, that was the straw man the poster who replied to me built.

Can you agree that your original response with half the quote might have been a bit dishonest? And if you don't think so, why not quoting the entire phrase?

Because we weren't debating the safety of mRNA. That is unrelated to the discussion and I would be feeding the troll by moving the conversation from ethics to semantics and efficacy. I stated in my original comment that even if it's effective I still have ethical issues with coerced administration of it, gene therapy or not.
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