Live data from Hacker News

The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

jamesomalley.substack.com

31–40 of 183 posts

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

#31
post #16

My kids have no concept of linear TV. My 9 year old came back and told me that a friend had a broken TV as when they turned it on, the program was already half way through. Their 'channels' are netflix, amazon and disney. When I had the choice and they were pre-school then sure, we watched things like Alphablocks on iplayer. I can force them to watch Attenborough or Blue Peter, and they enjoy it, just not enough to w…

I got such a kick out of my 7 year old at my grandparents. We turned on some random movie that was half way through and she said: "Oh, let's watch this, start it from the beginning." When I told her that's not how cable TV works, she looked at me like I was telling her some kind of stupid dad joke.

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

#32
post #16

My kids have no concept of linear TV. My 9 year old came back and told me that a friend had a broken TV as when they turned it on, the program was already half way through. Their 'channels' are netflix, amazon and disney. When I had the choice and they were pre-school then sure, we watched things like Alphablocks on iplayer. I can force them to watch Attenborough or Blue Peter, and they enjoy it, just not enough to w…

I've completely switched to subscription and live-based content (mainly YouTube, with some Twitch). About 2 years ago I was only watching a handful of TV shows from traditional channels (BBC) and mainly there via iPlayer.

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

#33
post #10

The numbers listed in the article don't actually support the author's argument at all. > Netflix spent $11.8bn in 2020, Disney is expecting to spend $8-9bn on Disney+ content by 2024, and Amazon is estimated to be spending $7bn this year alone. By contrast, according to the BBC’s most recent annual report, it spent about £980m ($1.3bn) on “programme-related assets and other inventories” in the 2020/21 financial year.…

Netflix (and Amazon) literally list UK produced shows they had no involvement with except for buying the global rights to it after the fact as "exclusive/original content". I assume they do the same for other nation's domestic output too.

BBC have done co-productions with other enterprises since before streaming and have continued to do them with Netflix.

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

#34
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

edit: incorrect info

You're thinking of BBC Studios, the global for-profit arm. The BBC World Service is an international multi-lingual news and discussion service. Big budget costume drama your commercial broadcaster paid $$$ for? BBC Studios. Guy speaking your language but likely from a radio studio thousands of miles away, telling you stuff that your local news media are too scared (if they exist) to broadcast? BBC World Service. Hist…

You're right, I was thinking of BBC Worldwide which is now part of BBC Studios. Still, it makes a lot more money than the group gets from the license fee, which was my point.

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

#35
Honestly the last show I think I watched on the BBC was McMafia or possibly Peaky blinders.

When I go on I player I'm just bombarded with content about minorities other nonsense. BBC are going the same way as the Labour party they're alienating themselves from the classical British working class in favor of middle class Londoners and minoroties.

Radio 4 is about the only reasonable thing the BBC produces and even that has gone down hill dramatically.

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

#36
It's worth noting that the BBC's reputation has also been harmed in the course of the divisive debate over Brexit with commentary that has kept neither side of the debate happy.

On a lighter note (which I admit reflects my personal inclinations): they should buy back live coverage of Test Match Cricket from Sky - a series of broadly unifying national sporting occasions that used to have distinctive BBC coverage (and still does on the radio of course). Good for cricket too.

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

#37
post #10

The numbers listed in the article don't actually support the author's argument at all. > Netflix spent $11.8bn in 2020, Disney is expecting to spend $8-9bn on Disney+ content by 2024, and Amazon is estimated to be spending $7bn this year alone. By contrast, according to the BBC’s most recent annual report, it spent about £980m ($1.3bn) on “programme-related assets and other inventories” in the 2020/21 financial year.…

If your model of the future of the BBC is that the license fee, which costs about as much as Netflix, should give you a comparable product - then if Netflix have 10x the budget, the BBC's going to have a tough time competing.

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

#38
post #31
post #16

My kids have no concept of linear TV. My 9 year old came back and told me that a friend had a broken TV as when they turned it on, the program was already half way through. Their 'channels' are netflix, amazon and disney. When I had the choice and they were pre-school then sure, we watched things like Alphablocks on iplayer. I can force them to watch Attenborough or Blue Peter, and they enjoy it, just not enough to w…

I got such a kick out of my 7 year old at my grandparents. We turned on some random movie that was half way through and she said: "Oh, let's watch this, start it from the beginning." When I told her that's not how cable TV works, she looked at me like I was telling her some kind of stupid dad joke.

My 6 year old thinks that the screen goes black in some shows because that's when the exciting part is about to happen. Of course, it's actually where the program would normally break for ads . On Netflix/Disney+ this doesn't happen (yet!) so he's come to the conclusion that it's just a signal of impending excitement :)

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

#39
post #16

My kids have no concept of linear TV. My 9 year old came back and told me that a friend had a broken TV as when they turned it on, the program was already half way through. Their 'channels' are netflix, amazon and disney. When I had the choice and they were pre-school then sure, we watched things like Alphablocks on iplayer. I can force them to watch Attenborough or Blue Peter, and they enjoy it, just not enough to w…

The irony for me is I watch zero bbc content but I love Radio 4 comedy.

So my BBC content consumption has gone up over time not down.

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

#40
post #16

My kids have no concept of linear TV. My 9 year old came back and told me that a friend had a broken TV as when they turned it on, the program was already half way through. Their 'channels' are netflix, amazon and disney. When I had the choice and they were pre-school then sure, we watched things like Alphablocks on iplayer. I can force them to watch Attenborough or Blue Peter, and they enjoy it, just not enough to w…

Won't argue with the your observation on consumption: I see the same with my children.

However: there's nothing intrinsic to the BBC that requires linear delivery or consumption. iPlayer was, after all, one of the first streaming services: a genuine bit of innovation from the Beeb.

I dearly want to see the BBC not only survive, but to prosper.

That may be rose-tinted/delusional/whatever. Why? Because it represents a collective service for society, by society. I don't watch all the content: not even some of the big stuff (Strictly). But I really value the breadth of content: that it caters to interests - people - that are diverse. It can do that because it doesn't have to slavishly chase advertising in a race-to-the-bottom death march to mediocrity.

Similarly, its aspiration to impartial news coverage - to inform and educate, not impose a political doctrine - should be invaluable. It certainly hasn't always achieved that (and sometimes by a long way) but at least the aspiration is there. It would be greatly helped here by some structural protection from government meddling, but that's another story.

Like the original article, I see the writing on the wall. But I don't think it needs to be a death spiral. In a world of hyper-targeted-advertising-driven-sensationalist-fact-free-fake-news in 140 characters or less, I want to believe there's a market for diverse, challenging society-enhancing content. I can't think of an organisation whose charter would better fit with that aim.

Post reply on HN