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The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

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Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

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Why the hand-wringing over show budgets? One of the greatest shows I have ever watched, People Just Do Nothing - a BBC production - must have had a budget one one thousandth of a Marvel show but I would re-watch it a hundred times before I bothered with a single episode of that generic PG-13 comic book dreck. And I can say the same for all of the BBC greats.

BBC doesn't need to compete on budget. Netflix may pour billions into soulless generic crap that attracts eyeballs but if that's what you want from BBC you're missing the whole point of a public broadcaster.

(I'm not British and I don't live there, but I am eternally grateful to BBC for producing almost all of my favourite TV shows and podcasts).

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

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Comparing how much money Disney, Netflix and the BBC put into productions is useless. Netflix in particular has already burned a lot of money and the result was average at best. How many failures are there for a hit like "The Crown", how long can Netflix in particular continue to spend so much money? For quality, you need the right makers, and the BBC has often had the right ones.

But I think this is where it's starting to nose-dive. It used to be there were competitors but they were crass comparative junk, like ITV. Now the competitors are suddenly massively out BBC-ing the BBC. Huge landmark period dramas - used to be only the BBC could competently pull that off. Now Netflix does it better. Serious radio discussion - used to be only found on the BBC. Now I can get it often better from Specta…

Wait and see. Netflix was once the place for new fresh shows but it's a victim of it's shareholders value. Most shows don't survive the 1st season. If the BBC tries to copy Netflix they will lose, if they stick to their last it might work out.

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

#13

It's worth saying the BBC has been 'doomed' for as long as I can remember. Simply pointing out that it doesn't make sense doesn't seem to have much effect on its continued presence.

Yes, and global warming has been a problem for as long as I can remember. Just because the problem doesn't have a deliberate start date doesn't mean it isn't a problem. Collapse, whether it be political, cultural, or climatological, is one of those things that happens on such a long timescale that you don't notice it until it's too late. It's entirely possible that the BBC is maintained for another century, purely as…

edit: incorrect info

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

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post #9
post #5

Comparing how much money Disney, Netflix and the BBC put into productions is useless. Netflix in particular has already burned a lot of money and the result was average at best. How many failures are there for a hit like "The Crown", how long can Netflix in particular continue to spend so much money? For quality, you need the right makers, and the BBC has often had the right ones.

> BBC has often had the right ones. "had" being the operative word here.

Even Netflix and Disney can't buy them all.

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

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>Even if you don’t engage with Newsnight’s coverage of the Namibian Presidential Election6, or you don’t tune in to hear what the fishing conditions are like in the North Sea, it’s good that at least someone, somewhere is being paid to care about these things.

Why?

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

#16
My kids have no concept of linear TV. My 9 year old came back and told me that a friend had a broken TV as when they turned it on, the program was already half way through.

Their 'channels' are netflix, amazon and disney. When I had the choice and they were pre-school then sure, we watched things like Alphablocks on iplayer. I can force them to watch Attenborough or Blue Peter, and they enjoy it, just not enough to want to watch them over things on disney. There's so much competition of things to do.

I do watch BBC (iplayer obviously) occasionally, but the material I'm interested in isn't as accessible as it is on disney/apple/prime/netflix/youtube.

We watched Eurovision and Euro2020 (England games) this year. Aside from that the only BBC output we watched was Roadkill about a year ago, and the one Doctor Who episode which had John Barrowman in. I would watch have I got news for you, but whenever I remember to watch it, it's not on.

This itself might not say a lot, and I still have a TV license despite the limited direct value I get (listen to a lot of BBC radio, and the news website), but what's interesting is I actually work for the BBC. If my household barely watches it, where does the future lie.

Linear TVs days are numbered, but the underlying cultural links that prime time TV provided in the 60s through 90s has already gone. 1 in 4 people in the UK used to watch the same shitty sitcoms in the 80s because there was very little choice.

It's not just BBC or the UK that has this cultural difference. "It's a wonderful life" is an American classic. It is because it was shown on every channel every christmas year after year, generation after generation, and kids watched it, because it was that or reading a book.

I think Star Trek was right with its outlandish prediction from 1988. TV as a form of entertainment won't survive much past 2040 (I think linear TV will still be going in 10 years time, but probably not 30).

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I think this is where it's starting to nose-dive. It used to be there were competitors but they were crass comparative junk, like ITV. Now the competitors are suddenly massively out BBC-ing the BBC. Huge landmark period dramas - used to be only the BBC could competently pull that off. Now Netflix does it better. Serious radio discussion - used to be only found on the BBC. Now I can get it often better from Specta…

Wait and see. Netflix was once the place for new fresh shows but it's a victim of it's shareholders value. Most shows don't survive the 1st season. If the BBC tries to copy Netflix they will lose, if they stick to their last it might work out.

Apple seems to be trying to occupy the quality niche though.

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and global warming has been a problem for as long as I can remember. Just because the problem doesn't have a deliberate start date doesn't mean it isn't a problem. Collapse, whether it be political, cultural, or climatological, is one of those things that happens on such a long timescale that you don't notice it until it's too late. It's entirely possible that the BBC is maintained for another century, purely as…

edit: incorrect info

> BBC World Service, which is an entirely commercial entity

This is not truthful - the World Service is funded by the rest of the BBC, not the other way around, and until recently was also funded by the FCO.

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

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post #17
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait and see. Netflix was once the place for new fresh shows but it's a victim of it's shareholders value. Most shows don't survive the 1st season. If the BBC tries to copy Netflix they will lose, if they stick to their last it might work out.

Apple seems to be trying to occupy the quality niche though.

It’s the quality thing - previously peopled tried to compete with the BBC by being lower brow, now they’re attacking the high brow.

Re: The bargain at the heart of the BBC is fraying

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post #5

Comparing how much money Disney, Netflix and the BBC put into productions is useless. Netflix in particular has already burned a lot of money and the result was average at best. How many failures are there for a hit like "The Crown", how long can Netflix in particular continue to spend so much money? For quality, you need the right makers, and the BBC has often had the right ones.

The big distinguishing factor has long been Netflix's subscriber driven business model: if they're not growing in subscribers then the company appears to be "failing" or stagnant to investors/shareholders. Netflix's original productions are for retention, but moreso for getting new subscribers to boost the subscription numbers (hence their hard push into Asia).

Netflix's problem is that it doesn't have the niche of another service using the same business model, something like HBO which makes "HBO shows" (Nudity, violence, swearing, "prestige" productions). Without a distinct house style or niche aesthetic, Netflix has adopted the firehose method. Blast as much money at as many scripts as possible with the hopes that one will turn gold.

The BBC, through the licensing fee, kind of evades that business model and the ramifications of it; the BBC can choose to not aim for "hits", but for cultural content as such. Creators are free to create cultural content without a direct profit motive and that really allows the BBC to retain some very high quality documentarians, screenwriters, producers, and directors. The licensing fee is a tax, but it is a tax that keeps the profit motive from dominating media production.

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