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20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

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Post by selimthegrim »

hourislate wrote: post #429
tawaysdfas4 wrote: post #259

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Ummm yeah, so guys like these can get into the airport? https://youtu.be/NWNyxDUSriA?t=40 This just happened last week. It probably happens every week. Since the attacker is white, we dont classify it as terror. If the person were Muslim, he'd be in prison already. Firstly, we already profile Muslims extensively. Secondly, a non Muslim person with guns, usually motivated by GOP/church/nation regularly commits atrocit…

Ummm, there is a big difference between raging and trying to blow up an aircraft. If the 911 bombers started fist fights in the airport lobby instead of hijacking airplanes, I'm sure we wouldn't be living with the heighten security apparatus we have today. Can you list the race or religion of all the terrorists who tried to bring down an aircraft 911 to present day, just curious? I think you're the apologist in this…

You do realize ISIS or Al Qaeda can just find a white convert to send through? Or that there are white Muslims to begin with (Balkans)?

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Post by aeternum »

modzu wrote: post #568
aeternum wrote: post #477

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It's not the same. Covid is clearly causing a significant increase in mortality. Even if you don't believe the covid-reporting numbers, you can simply look at excess deaths. It's very difficult to falsify death stats on a mass-scale especially in a country like the US.

when the towers fell, nobody got hurt? the threats are legitimate, but its fair to be critical of the response.

the threats are legitimate and every death counts but it also makes sense to prioritize and focus our limited attention to areas where it has the most impact.

Terrorism kills something like 28k/year whereas Covid has killed 5 million.

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Post by lonelyPM »

GhostVII wrote: post #537

We should have some kind of dashboard tracking how many people die from terrorism, car crashes, heart disease, COVID, etc., and how much time and money we spend trying to prevent these deaths. We are just so terrible at evaluating risk, for some reason it is OK to waste everyone's time with over the top security to stop a tiny portion of terrorism deaths, while still being OK with high speed limits that kill thousand…

Well said... I feel like someone out there has developed a dashboard like this.

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Post by gelotar »

aliswe wrote: post #440

I saw a documentary on border controls in afghanistan where they used a pretty ingenious idea. they frisk a guy and check his pulse at the same time. so a guy holds two fingers to the guys jugular vein, and the other one checks him. any increase in pulse and its an indicator they should keep searching.

So if some heavily armed stranger touches your neck and that makes you nervous, you're probably guilty of something?

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Post by ziml77 »

988747 wrote: post #365
bserge wrote: post #285

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Methodologies vary, but comparing deaths to any of the previous years, it is clear that they've increased. And the only major change was the new virus. But of course, never let a good chance go to waste. We'll see an increase in restrictions because of Covid, they're not going away anytime soon.

The major change, at least in my country, is that healthcare is so focused on COVID that they are neglecting patients with other diseases. So the excess deaths are mostly effect of that.

There is limited capacity to provide care for people. If people are without COVID dying because COVID cases are taking up that capacity, then COVID is a factor in those deaths as well.

One of the earliest fears about the spread of COVID was exactly this issue: too many cases would overwhelm the healthcare system and cause deaths to rise even more. Even if we couldn't stop the spread of the virus, one of the goals was to slow it down to keep the number of simultaneous cases to a minimum.

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Post by SergeAx »

jfrankamp wrote: post #569
boldlybold wrote: post #442

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Funny how HN is so willing to agree with the absurdity of security theater at airports, yet so resistant to calling out the pandemic theater we're living every day.

Both have theater aspects and let me propose something: that's good. When you approach airport security (theater) you wonder what their capabilities are _today_. Are they sniffing the air at large with their GCMS? Is there going to be a dog today? Its intimidating to think of it as a theoretical attacker because of its large and multifaceted apparatus, which is part of its deterrent power. Masks are somewhat similar,…

When you approaching airport or train station security theater, you slowing down due to limited throughput. And then bang! - a terrorist blows up in the crowd right in front of security gate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2013_Volgograd_bomb...

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Post by [deleted] »

hnuser847 wrote: post #252
newswasboring wrote: post #204

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There is a mountain worth of difference. The policies enacted for COVID have a very specific target, has been shown to work repeatedly, and deviating from them caused decline in the KPI its trying to maintain. Its nothing like TSA.

For anyone who still believes the non-pharmaceutical interventions are effective, trying taking this quiz: https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/

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Post by hunterb123 »

_6pvr wrote: post #578
isoskeles wrote: post #575

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Oh I bet you use that same dipshit logic when discussing homeless people being told to move somewhere cheaper.

> Oh I bet you use that same dipshit logic This amount of disrespect is unwarranted. > when discussing homeless people being told to move somewhere cheaper. What an absolutely insane whataboutism. This has nothing to do with what we're discussing and you look like a joke. You're asserting that vaccine passports infringe upon your freedoms. Just don't go to those bars. Jesus.

What if the city like NY ordered ALL bars to stop you for your papers.

Now you can't go to any bars. That hurts minorities the most as they are the most unvaccinated.

Its new world segregation essentially.

But yes those people could just pick up and move, and many are. Look at the numbers.

Unfortunately many cannot because they aren't on a SWE salary.

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Post by jazzyjackson »

ctrlp wrote: post #432
jdavis703 wrote: post #388

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I’m also not confident in that. But again, if someone has put me in an “extremist detection” database I’m already in the database and the government could already query it.

Would you like to be subject to Twitter's or Facebook's interpretation of extremist?

why would the government care if i’m banned from twitter?

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Post by chucksta »

hermannj314 wrote: post #410
stoolpigeon wrote: post #18

The US is the only place I think I've had to remove shoes for flight security in years. But in Europe taking off a belt is often required while in the US it is not. In Budapest they stopped having us remove laptops from bags a bit ago. My biggest challenge over the years was remembering what to do in each place as the security people at the airports had a tendency to get upset if you didn't do it their preferred way.

There is an impatience mismatch between the average traveler and airport security. Flying out of Philly Airport, the TSA yelled at everyone to take off their belt and shoes, shaking their head in disbelief at people that didn't know the rules, wasting everyone's time. A few months later, same airport, new rules, now the TSA yelled at people taking off their belts and shoes because that's not a rule, shaking their hea…

The Philly airport employees are some of the least hospitable I've encountered traveling, especially their TSA. They come off as actively hostile about everything
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