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20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

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Post by Pius_IX »

aeoleonn wrote: post #363
bedhead wrote: post #40

Things like this are why I'm so cynical about COVID stuff. We have an unconditional commitment to stupid reactive policies that elevate symbolism far above sensibility, and boy does it have a lot of inertia. The parallels between COVID and our post-9/11 reaction are eerie.

The Hegelian dialectic inherent in both. A dialectic method of historical and philosophical progress that postulates (1) a beginning proposition called a thesis, (2) a negation of that thesis called the antithesis, and (3) a synthesis whereby the two conflicting ideas are reconciled to form a new proposition.

Wow, I got to hand it to you! 'communist-aligned socio-economic elites' is the most creative code for 'the Jews' I have heard in quite a while.

Oh, and you confused 'ironic' and 'coincidence' but I guess that hardly matters.

Edit: Oh, the usual. Editing out all the antisemitic stuff once somebody calls you out for it. At least don't run away once someone questions your shitty beliefs.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

noetic_techy wrote: post #47

I'll take it a step further. We need a total paradigm redesign of airports. Imagine and airport designed to the point where you can literally drive up (or be dropped by an autonomous vehicle) 10 minutes before your flight, Throw your luggage onto a belt where a robot auto tags it based on your a facial recognition algorithm, and walk through an unobtrusive security point that's totally AI driven, and walk direct to y…

I cant imagine how large scale of an airport would be required to do all that for everyone on the plane in 10 mins before the flight.

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Post by tinus_hn »

thrownaway810 wrote: post #450
nradov wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putting on cloth masks doesn't produce a statistically significant decrease in symptomatic infection rates. https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-mask...

> This aligns with lab tests showing that surgical masks have better filtration than cloth masks. However, cloth masks did reduce the overall likelihood of experiencing symptoms of respiratory illness during the study period. What is it that you think you read in this article? What you have said is not supported in any way by the link you have provided.

> Although there were also fewer COVID-19 cases in villages with cloth masks as compared to control villages, the difference was not statistically significant.

This means you can’t draw conclusions from this finding apart from that any difference there actually is is really small.

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Post by spywaregorilla »

duxup wrote: post #222

So much security that not sense. I attend college football games. Everyone goes through security. Outside security we pack up in masses of humanity outside the gates waiting to get through the inevitably slow security. It would be far more effective to do something at the gates dude to the density of humanity there where there is no security ... than in the stadium where people are actually more spread out. If someon…

I like those checks though. It won't stop a guy trying to do a mass killing. It will stop a guy prone to getting drunk and casually carrying a gun who might be fine cheating the system if they're not checking, but not if they are checking.

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Post by mrtksn »

hunterb123 wrote: post #505
mrtksn wrote: post #484

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I wouldn't know why those who already have immunity would get the vaccine. There are studies showing that a shot post Covid-19 greatly increases the immune response agains variants, so there could be reasons. In Europe getting the decease and beating it is considered good enough for immunity. Talk to your local authorities if you are not happy with your local practices.

But only last for 6 months, hence the boosters. Natural immunity lasts longer.

You can always chase people who sneeze on the streets(hang around a hospital maybe?), get your covid, test positive, quarantine yourself for 2 weeks and hope for the best as an immuniser or a natural booster.

The vaccines on the other hand are much more practical and safer. They seem to lose some efficacy over time against getting covid but the results against getting seriously ill are very promising. Which probably means, if you get Covid-19 naturally later on, it would be a natural booster with much lower risk compared to a non-vaxxed person.

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Post by duxup »

hunterb123 wrote: post #489
duxup wrote: post #434

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>Thinking that you need everyone to get a vaccine to live a normal life is a strange bar. I don't understand what that means. What happened to thinking of other people? When I think of getting a vaccine... I just do it as a part of normal life. It doesn't change my life at all, outside of added immunity.

> When I think of getting a vaccine... I just do it as a part of normal life That's exactly my point. You aren't thinking, you're just following. > What happened to thinking of other people? My point as well. It's the same "think of the children" argument that was being discussed above. That itself is not a reason. People have immunity. The curve is flattened, the goal posts have been moved out of the stadium.

What does any of that mean?

You're talking about "aren't thinking" but most of your posts just involve nebulous throw away phrases like "People have immunity"... clearly you know that phrase doesn't mean anything right?

In the meantime we can all see for ourselves actual impact, real things, in areas where vaccination rates are low. These aren't nebulous concepts like your phrases, they're real.

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Post by isoskeles »

duxup wrote: post #416
hunterb123 wrote: post #396

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The new thing is "think of grandma". Say delta variant enough and you can get anyone to give up anything. Post covid is like post 9/11. This is the new normal. Vaccine passports and all.

Thinking of other people and getting a vaccine and going on with your life without much of any impact seems like a very low bar.

Except now I’m supposed to show a digital vaccine record many places I go. Not many open source options exist for reading them either, so I’m just supposed to trust that the data (name, birth date, maybe location) isn’t being sent to some marketing analytics company somewhere.

Edit: Since some HN commenters want to play disingenuous games and insert words into my mouth, I’ll clarify my specific problem is with these apps having zero standards. If my state makes its own app or devises a law to prosecute this kind of use of private data, I would have less of a problem with it as a temporary measure.

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Post by edgriebel »

ridethebike wrote: post #400
xscott wrote: post #269

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I suspect it's not about protecting the people (your college stadium example), and that it is about protecting the expensive airplanes. If I'm being charitable, it might also be about protecting the buildings that planes can crash into.

Planes are not that expensive

Last time I checked even a relatively small 737 is ca. $100 million. You must be related to Bezos if you don't consider that expensive.

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Post by goto11 »

rswail wrote: post #481
bakuninsbart wrote: post #405

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There's nothing hypothetical about it. I'm actually baffled at the fact that people here infer random motivations when Usama bin Laden gave interviews as far back as the early 90s and held multiple speeches after 9/11. The stated goal of the attacks was to show Americans that their continuous war and support for secular dictators in the Muslim world would come with high cost, and to force the American government to r…

I'd say it's been remarkably successful. The US has abandoned Syria, Iraq, Kurds. It still has some sway with Saudi Arabia and Israel, none in Egypt or Libya. The withdrawal from Afghanistan is a culmination of that. The neo-conservative response to Al Qaeda was exactly what was needed to provoke this collapse over 20 years.

At the time of the 9/11 attacks, the US did not have bases in in Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya. Bin Laden was complaining about US presence in Saudi Arabia and Israel. So even with recent withdrawals, the US presence is only back at the level at the tine of the attacks. I don't see how this can in any way be construed as successful?

The purpose of the 9/11 attacks was to get the American public to demand the US withdraws support to Israel and Saudi Arabia. This has clearly failed.

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