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Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by cebert »

hiram112 wrote: post #485
cebert wrote: post #397

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It seems like 200k+ is pretty typical for Engineers with at least some experience even in less hot markets like the Midwest. I know several developers in the Metro Detroit area making more than 200k base.

Are you talking about total compensation where you add base salary, payroll taxes paid by employer, health & benefits, 401K contribution, possible bonus & equity, etc? I see $160K salary ceilings for general "senior engineers" for vast majority of non-FAANG companies in high COL East Coast city, so I'd imagine midwest is $25K less since housing is so much cheaper. But maybe salaries are really exploding, and I just h…

I’m taking base. TC is even higher.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by cebert »

hiram112 wrote: post #485
cebert wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like 200k+ is pretty typical for Engineers with at least some experience even in less hot markets like the Midwest. I know several developers in the Metro Detroit area making more than 200k base.

Are you talking about total compensation where you add base salary, payroll taxes paid by employer, health & benefits, 401K contribution, possible bonus & equity, etc? I see $160K salary ceilings for general "senior engineers" for vast majority of non-FAANG companies in high COL East Coast city, so I'd imagine midwest is $25K less since housing is so much cheaper. But maybe salaries are really exploding, and I just h…

I meant base comp not TC. If you haven’t checked out the Team Blind app or https:://levels.FYI recently, the compensation right now for experienced developers is unreal.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by horsawlarway »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #495
horsawlarway wrote: post #219

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I might be wrong, but I think his point is that by the time you're running a linux VM for docker, why not go ahead and get the rest of the tooling for free? Docker can still be run in the VM just fine, for cases where you want a reproducible build environment. I do this at any company that lets me (and by lets, I mean doesn't explicitly forbid) - They all give me a Mac, and the first (and sometimes only) thing I inst…

>for cases where you want a reproducible build environment. Or just create your reproducible build environment as a QEMU VM image instead of a docker file. That way you only have to install a VM image, instead of install VM image/OS + install Docker + install your Docker file.

See, I don't really agree here.

Containers solve a different problem than vms. The biggest issues (at least for me) are

1. The second a dev starts using that VM, it's no longer reproducible. The goal of docker is that a developer can create reproducible images as a part of normal development.

2. I won't be running that QEMU vm in production, but I might very well be running the exact same container image in both development and production.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by lamnk »

make3 wrote: post #249
dpratt wrote: post #33

This appears to be cutting of their nose to spite their face. We have a team of 50+ engineers that all use Docker for Mac for daily development tasks, but I suspect that will no longer be true in a rather short amount of time. Frankly, I don’t really know if anybody actually uses the UI components for it outside of starting and stopping the engine and for basic configuration of the VM. Everything else that comes with…

21$/month/user is nothing for the business setting.

Yes, it's nothing for a single tool, even with hundreds or thousands of dev. But in total it quickly adds up for a lot of tools.

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Post by floatingatoll »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #215
namdnay wrote: post #158

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That’s assuming some kind soul in engineering management has the patience and leverage to guide this through 10 layers of purchasing, procurement, finance, legal etc… Another likely outcome is that it’s “easier” for teams to switch to another tool (easier in that at least they’re not waiting on a third party for approval) and everyone loses a lot of time Big corporations are not the most efficient beasts for this kin…

I've been fortunate enough to work at companies where engineers were trusted to make small purchasing decisions. It works well for a while, but eventually everyone accumulates a lot of random recurring charges and the company cracks down. $21 is nothing for a one-time spend. $21 per month per employee is now $252/year per employee, but now you also need someone managing all of these licenses and accounting. Every new…

20 is an extremely low estimate. It is more like the greater of N solutions for N teams, and M solutions for M people.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by jtagx »

techthumb wrote: post #94

I've been using Minikube's docker-engine and haven't missed DockerForMac for some time now. Minikube sets up a Linux VM using MacOS Hypervisor. It even has a convenience command to configure docker-cli/docker-client. $ minikube docker-env export DOCKER_TLS_VERIFY="1" export DOCKER_HOST="tcp://192.168.65.11:2376" export DOCKER_CERT_PATH="/Users/wibble/.minikube/certs" export MINIKUBE_ACTIVE_DOCKERD="minikube" For corp…

Copy Paste install instructions for macOS: https://gist.github.com/rmetzger/e556bfda8082bceeae6a32e7e02...
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