so, when's everyone switching over to Podman?
When it's actually 100%ly compliant in it's APIs, especially regarding podman-compose and the socket API.
Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
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Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#92Overall if they want to charge for their product that's fine. I just hate the model of release free or really permissible application, wait for widespread adoption, then tighten clamp. For what it's worth they've lost my business there.
Docker desktop was never really free, as in free software, was it? If so, then it was always a proprietary app and they were always in control. IE. the clamp was always tight.
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#93Unless I am missing something this is pretty huge. Every company I have worked at that has issued MacBooks has had development environment instructions which outline using docker desktop (since it is the simplest solution). Given this headline every one of those companies would have needed to get licensing for that.
As others have stated: I am okay with attempting to monetize your work, but increasing prices like this (especially from free to a pretty pricey per-head subscription model) doesn't sit well with me. There doesn't seem to be much differentiation between the tier besides: "How many employees/revenue you have" and that is not my favorite line of charging.
Does this relate at all to the forced upgrades that were pushed earlier this year?
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#94I've been using Minikube's docker-engine and haven't missed DockerForMac for some time now.
Minikube sets up a Linux VM using MacOS Hypervisor.
It even has a convenience command to configure docker-cli/docker-client.
$ minikube docker-env
export DOCKER_TLS_VERIFY="1"
export DOCKER_HOST="tcp://192.168.65.11:2376"
export DOCKER_CERT_PATH="/Users/wibble/.minikube/certs"
export MINIKUBE_ACTIVE_DOCKERD="minikube"
$ minikube start --embed-certs
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not great, at all. But at least on Mac it's a lot easier to get going with Docker for Mac than it is to roll your own with e.g. VirtualBox. I assume it's the same on Windows.
I just use whatever `brew install docker` gives me. They don't call that Docker Desktop, right? I thought that was some kind of GUI thing of theirs—I do all my dockering from the command line, which looks the same across Mac and Linux except when (rarely, these days) the virtualization the Mac implementation uses leaks through.
The key is the virtualization. I think (!) with `brew install docker` you've got to set up a VM and get Docker running inside it, yourself. Docker Desktop for Mac does that, and implements filesystem and networking integration for you.
Most people like the convenience of that, if not the performance or (now) the cost.
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#96Additionally this change is effective starting August 31st 2021 - i.e. now.
(CTO of Docker here) there is a grace period until 31 January next year, we understand that this is a change and people need time to sort out payment.
> and people need time to sort out payment
Or their removal of Docker
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#97This seems like a bit of a footgun from Docker Inc. Those on Linux will just run Docker Engine (the open source part) directly, or move to alternatives like Podman. Docker Desktop only really has value on macOS and Windows, and there it's only because nobody wants to manage the glue to setup a Linux VM. Given the cost, I suspect many will chose to do that glue work themselves and I wouldn't be surprised to see an ope…
macOS is the hard one to solve. It does a lot of magic things in the background and Docker even created their own "distro" / VM build system, linuxkit, that went on to be useful in a lot of other places to make it work.
A lot of macOS developers imo seem to have more knowledge in their specific domain and less in how to wire up a VM to look seamless, they'll need the docker CLI to work with the local filesystem to keep a lot of existing Makefiles functional, I see a bunch of companies caughing up money in the short term just for that.
Docker Desktop on Windows itself proves quite well that WSL2 works fine for this use case.
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#98front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28368997
Thanks!
Although that thread was posted earlier, I think we'll merge it into this one, on the principle that corporate press releases tend to make worse HN submissions. This is something of an exception to HN's original source rule.
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#99Since they've buried it a little: "Specifically, small businesses (fewer than 250 employees AND less than $10 million in revenue) may continue to use Docker Desktop with Docker Personal for free. The use of Docker Desktop in large businesses, however, requires a Pro, Team, or Business paid subscription, starting at $5 per user per month."
This comment was originally posted to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28368997, so it's quoting the corporate press release, not the current article. We've since merged the threads.
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just use whatever `brew install docker` gives me. They don't call that Docker Desktop, right? I thought that was some kind of GUI thing of theirs—I do all my dockering from the command line, which looks the same across Mac and Linux except when (rarely, these days) the virtualization the Mac implementation uses leaks through.
The key is the virtualization. I think (!) with `brew install docker` you've got to set up a VM and get Docker running inside it, yourself. Docker Desktop for Mac does that, and implements filesystem and networking integration for you. Most people like the convenience of that, if not the performance or (now) the cost.
Closest I've come to having to manually set up anything with a simple `brew install docker` making sure my shell sets the env vars correctly. It automatically sets up the VM, and has since I started using it years ago.
(but, it's possible that what I'm using is also considered Docker Desktop—I just associated that term with their GUI thingy [and I think it includes some kind of sys tray widget?], which I've never used)
[EDIT] oh no you're kinda right, I think I recall having to run one command, post-install, on older versions, to set up the VM, though I don't think you still have to and that was all still handled for you, you just had to tell it to do it. `docker-machine create default` or something like that, was enough for 99% of use cases. Don't have to even do that, now, though, IIRC.