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Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study

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Post by halfmatthalfcat »

nwienert wrote: post #90
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never argued it doesn't provide relief, what I'm arguing is that relief is somewhat of an illusion if you're suffering from persistent mental health issues, hence a crutch.

Only a person who doesn’t drink caffeine, alcohol, or any other drug (including aspirin and other non psychoactives) can approach making this claim. Hell, you could say the same thing to someone who enjoys a small dessert every night. Or a bath. So long as they’d feel sad to not have it, they are then avoiding a problem, right? Or… humans just really enjoy having diverse things to do, and all find different balances…

I'm not going to go into the nuances of prolonged THC exposure and how it affects brain chemistry, especially under the guise of self-medication but you're not acting in good faith of our discussion by comparing THC to taking a bath.

Re: Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study

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Post by beerandt »

arpinum wrote: post #3

I appreciate the study calls out that most cannabis is smoked, and it may be general smoke inhalation driving these results rather than an inherent property of cannabis

Not likely- the odds ratio vs non-users for smoking (2.01) is lower than that for vaping (2.26) and "other" (2.36).

They say that this is not statistically significant, however all forms of cannabis use vs non-users is statistically significant, with an odds ratio of 2.07 overall, and 2.31 for frequent users.

So if anything, the data suggests the opposite: smoking was lowest odds ratio.

Also, they adjust the findings to account for users that smoke, vape, etc, so it's not due to the fact that users are also more likely to smoke (compared to non-users).

Re: Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study

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Post by midev »

borvsky wrote: post #69
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like therapy would be very useful then. If you’re having to self-medicate to maintain sanity, the substances are only a crutch. Speaking from personal experience.

Funny how no one ever says this about caffeine intake. Surely you also think people who drink coffee every day are relying on a crutch and are drug addicts that need therapy.

> Funny how no one ever says this about caffeine intake. Surely you also think people who drink coffee every day are relying on a crutch and are drug addicts that need therapy

Lots of people say this. I'll even say it right now. If you need caffeine to function, you should probably talk to a doctor.

Drinking coffee every day does not mean it's a crutch. If it becomes a crutch, you should talk to a mental health professional.

There's no need to get upset because someone recommends you talk to a doctor.

Re: Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study

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Post by gonehome »

Tenoke wrote: post #100
gonehome wrote: post #97

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Just because others have made the same mistake in the other direction doesn't mean it's good to do the same thing in pursuit of a different conclusion. Skepticism is good, but if you find yourself preferring one outcome over another then you should be extra critical of stuff that supports your preferred outcome because you're more likely to want to give it a pass. Similarly you should be more willing to entertain stu…

I'm not saying it's good, I'm just giving another potent reason beyond self-interest.

Yeah - I think we agree.

Re: Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study

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Post by Forbo »

heavyset_go wrote: post #88
EL_Loco wrote: post #58

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My two heaviest marijuana smoker friends are 100% sure that any study that mentions some detrimental effect from marijuana is part of a big-pharma conspiracy. Their argument is that "it's a natural herb, it's impossible for it to do harm".

Sounds like Tesla fanatics and the phantom ICE manufacturers they think are out to get them.

Pretty sure different companies competing in similar sectors aren't above stoking FUD about their competitors, no matter who they are or what industry they are in.

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Post by haswell »

eplanit wrote: post #71

I had my MI at age 43. Other than _smoking_ weed (via a bong) daily I was in good shape with regular exercise, etc. (5+ miles hiking in hills every day with my dog, at the bare minimum). After 3 stents I became much more conscientious about all my intakes and activities. I reduced my weed consumption, but began to notice that I would get angina pain about 20 minutes after smoking. Not after hiking or biking, or any p…

Did you switch to vaping concentrates or dry herb?

I recently switched to a dry herb vape because concentrates were concerning me for other reasons.

Re: Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study

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Post by halfmatthalfcat »

AnEro wrote: post #66
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like therapy would be very useful then. If you’re having to self-medicate to maintain sanity, the substances are only a crutch. Speaking from personal experience.

Not saying one shouldn't check in to make sure its a healthy habit but things you may want to consider before judging the habit is: 1) Cost: $120 of cannabis every month is cheaper than a therapist and more effective than 1 session 2) Some issues are perspective: where your perspective needs to be changed and it's making your life worse but not a DSM-5 diagnosis leaving a majority of therapists/psychologists without…

Financials aside (which I agree are a factor), this is a very short-sighted view. Therapy is not about finding a diagnosis, it is about finding perspective. Sure, for insurance billing purposes you need to be diagnosed but I'd bet most people seeking therapy are just given GAD (generalized anxiety disorder) and it plays very little baring in how your therapy is executed.

If what you seek is a healthier emotional and psychological outlook, substituting cannabis for therapy is self-sabotage. There are other ways to gain the "release valve" that don't involve smoking weed.

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Post by lamontcg »

hncurious wrote: post #60
arpinum wrote: post #3

I appreciate the study calls out that most cannabis is smoked, and it may be general smoke inhalation driving these results rather than an inherent property of cannabis

This study is really just "smoking linked to higher risk".

Smoking a joint is every bit as bad as smoking a cigarette, in terms of carcinogens/tar and other nastiness, but most people aren't two-pack-a-day joint smokers so dose is typically lower. It still isn't healthy though.

Re: Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study

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Post by bialpio »

elliekelly wrote: post #94
bialpio wrote: post #81

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Results for other methods of consumption were not statistically significant: "Similarly, a higher odds of history of MI was observed with vapourization as a primary method of cannabis consumption (adjusted OR 2.26, 95% CI 0.58–8.82) and other forms of cannabis consumption, including edibles (adjusted OR 2.36, 95% CI 0.81–6.88) when compared with nonusers; however, these were not statistically significant."

When they say "primary method of cannabis consumption" do they mean the primary method of consumption in the past 30 days? Or do they mean the primary method of lifetime consumption? I'm also not sure "primary method of consumption" is the right question to ask? If someone smokes three days a week and has edibles the other four their primary method would be edibles but that doesn't erase the risk of the smoking.

CDC has archival surveys at https://www.cdc.gov/brfss/questionnaires/index.htm

The phrasing based on 2018 form was:

"During the past 30 days, which one of the following ways did you use marijuana the most often? Did you usually…"

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