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Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study

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Re: Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study

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Post by bialpio »

notJim wrote: post #76
hncurious wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This study is really just "smoking linked to higher risk".

I think it's any marijuana use, not just smoking: The primary exposure for our study was any recent cannabis use, categorized as a binary outcome. In the BRFSS, participants were asked, “During the past 30 days, on how many days did you use [marijuana or hashish (2017)] [marijuana or cannabis (2018)]?” We defined any recent cannabis use as using cannabis 1 or more time during the past 30 days.

Results for other methods of consumption were not statistically significant:

"Similarly, a higher odds of history of MI was observed with vapourization as a primary method of cannabis consumption (adjusted OR 2.26, 95% CI 0.58–8.82) and other forms of cannabis consumption, including edibles (adjusted OR 2.36, 95% CI 0.81–6.88) when compared with nonusers; however, these were not statistically significant."

Re: Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study

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Post by this_user »

oxymoran wrote: post #19
LegitShady wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't say that at all. >The effect estimates for history of MI were similar across methods of consumption, including among people using other forms of cannabis, including edibles, as a primary method of consumption. This finding is consistent with a case study reporting an acute MI triggered after consumption of a lollipop containing a large dose of Δ-9-tetrahydrocannabinol.36 The Canadian government recently le…

“Although a similarly elevated odds of history of MI was observed across methods of recent cannabis consumption, only smoking as a primary method achieved statistical significance.“

That is honestly a pretty confusing sentence in need of clarification. My read would be that statistical significance was not achieved due to the small sample size of users who are primarily using other methods of consumption than smoking.

Re: Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study

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Post by random_upvoter »

zerobits wrote: post #18

It’s strange that all of the comments are looking for ways to dismiss this result (and this seems to happen generally with negative cannabis findings online). Is it not entirely possible a drug and method of consumption which stresses the cardiovascular system increases odds of an adverse cardiovascular event?

More specifically, whenever such an article hits the headlines most comments will gladly assume that the authors are insultingly ignorant about basic statistics and overlooked a glaring confusion between causation and correlation, which the commenter immediately spotted without even reading the article.

Re: Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study

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Post by heavyset_go »

datavirtue wrote: post #31
eurasiantiger wrote: post #12

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It very likely is due to smoke inhalation or even mixing with tobacco; IIRC inhalation of any kind of micro- and nanoparticles is linked to higher risk of myocardial infarction.

I got a few new sativa vapes recently and was hitting them both pretty hard. I got smacked with a really disturbing heart issue that felt like it was being severely over worked. It was so bad I was on my front porch in n the dark resolved to dying. I didn't in now what was going to happen. I'll admit that I'm a lightweight but I had to stop with the "turpine pens." Now I just smoke dry herb because I know how to regu…

Sounds like an anxiety or panic attack. The latter often sends people to the ER because they think they're dying.

Re: Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study

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Post by heavyset_go »

EL_Loco wrote: post #58
zerobits wrote: post #18

It’s strange that all of the comments are looking for ways to dismiss this result (and this seems to happen generally with negative cannabis findings online). Is it not entirely possible a drug and method of consumption which stresses the cardiovascular system increases odds of an adverse cardiovascular event?

My two heaviest marijuana smoker friends are 100% sure that any study that mentions some detrimental effect from marijuana is part of a big-pharma conspiracy. Their argument is that "it's a natural herb, it's impossible for it to do harm".

Sounds like Tesla fanatics and the phantom ICE manufacturers they think are out to get them.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #62
benatkin wrote: post #55

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The sweeping generalization I was referring to is "the substances are only a crutch". Your comment also suggests that you assume the author of the comment you replied to isn't pursuing therapy. People can do both at the same time. A lot of things can be a crutch, but cannabis provides meaningful relief for many.

I never argued it doesn't provide relief, what I'm arguing is that relief is somewhat of an illusion if you're suffering from persistent mental health issues, hence a crutch.

In your mind, does this only apply to cannabis, or any mental-health related medication?

Re: Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study

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Post by nwienert »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #62
benatkin wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sweeping generalization I was referring to is "the substances are only a crutch". Your comment also suggests that you assume the author of the comment you replied to isn't pursuing therapy. People can do both at the same time. A lot of things can be a crutch, but cannabis provides meaningful relief for many.

I never argued it doesn't provide relief, what I'm arguing is that relief is somewhat of an illusion if you're suffering from persistent mental health issues, hence a crutch.

Only a person who doesn’t drink caffeine, alcohol, or any other drug (including aspirin and other non psychoactives) can approach making this claim.

Hell, you could say the same thing to someone who enjoys a small dessert every night. Or a bath. So long as they’d feel sad to not have it, they are then avoiding a problem, right?

Or… humans just really enjoy having diverse things to do, and all find different balances of what those things are. And THC suits very well to certain brain physiologies much like a bubble bath does for others.

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