The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated • Hacker News Board

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by devwastaken » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

zenron wrote: post #195

devwastaken wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watch one "conservative news" video and it will do a complete 180. Ads for "rations", "preparing for the end of the world", "how to be self sustainable", tons of PragerU propaganda, and some of the most low quality l BS you'll ever see from political ads. YouTube delivers content based on what you've watched.

Calling PragerU propaganda is like calling an Western history book written by a religious person contraband. What exact points do you take umbrage with or is this just a signal to your political preference?

PragerU is the one funding advertisements with wild, baseless, and often scientifically dishonest "research". I don't recall traditional universities doing this. They firmly market themselves as "conservative intellectuals", telling you the "real truth" liberals won't recognize. I'd call that propaganda by definition.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by laurent92 » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

iotku wrote: post #171

fragileone wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a peer-to-peer video client, with part of it's data being directly shared (similarly to torrents) and part via a blockchain. This makes it highly resistant to censorship and thus is where many people are moving their channels to.

It's worth noting that while based on LBRY (The supposedly censorship resistant blockchain protocol) Odysee is a bit more opinionated front end with restrictions on things such as pornography. By the standards of "alternative" video sites there's a pretty diverse set of content including mirrors from some well known YouTube creators (KhanAcademy, EEVBlog, GreatScott, Veritasium, HarwareUnboxed, Not Just Bikes, EposVo…

Veritasium is not political? He is, very. It’s just that you don’t see it. It’s not an accusation, just a reminder that the background noise is non-neutral, and he doesn’t contrast very much on your background ;)

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by toiletfuneral » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:33 PM UTC

zenron wrote: post #195

devwastaken wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watch one "conservative news" video and it will do a complete 180. Ads for "rations", "preparing for the end of the world", "how to be self sustainable", tons of PragerU propaganda, and some of the most low quality l BS you'll ever see from political ads. YouTube delivers content based on what you've watched.

Calling PragerU propaganda is like calling an Western history book written by a religious person contraband. What exact points do you take umbrage with or is this just a signal to your political preference?

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Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:34 PM UTC

bmsd_0923 wrote: post #132

corobo wrote: post #48

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> This makes it highly resistant to censorship We should probably stop using this phrase as a feature Instant thought was "ok so other than this channel it's all racism"

What we really need is to stop listening to people who have this kind of attitude.

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Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by otterley » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:38 PM UTC

caeril wrote: post #118

gambler wrote: post #87

Any large communication platform has a choice: either accept some form of content neutrality or become a petty and chaotic tyrant constantly reeling from one public backlash after the other. YouTube made its choice. Now, random videos and channels get demonetized, content gets deleted for no reason and people covering basic news speak in code to avoid the wrath of the idiot AI. In the background Google publishes bats…

> either accept some form of content neutrality or become a petty and chaotic tyrant constantly reeling from one public backlash after the other No, there is a middle ground that Google, with its army of engineers, could implement in a weekend: 1. You stop trying to assume you know what advertisers want their ads to be displayed on. 2. You implement a basic, fixed (but can be expanded) ACL-type system based on catego…

How do you know this could be done in a weekend, let alone a year, in a way that will make YouTube’s stakeholders happier than they are today? You seem to know an awful lot about this.

“There is always a well-known solution to every human problem—neat, plausible, and wrong.” —H. L. Mencken

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by wiskinator » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

laurent92 wrote: post #252

iotku wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that while based on LBRY (The supposedly censorship resistant blockchain protocol) Odysee is a bit more opinionated front end with restrictions on things such as pornography. By the standards of "alternative" video sites there's a pretty diverse set of content including mirrors from some well known YouTube creators (KhanAcademy, EEVBlog, GreatScott, Veritasium, HarwareUnboxed, Not Just Bikes, EposVo…

Veritasium is not political? He is, very. It’s just that you don’t see it. It’s not an accusation, just a reminder that the background noise is non-neutral, and he doesn’t contrast very much on your background ;)

In what ways? I'm just curious. The channel doesn't seem political to me either, so I want to investigate my blindspots.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:41 PM UTC

bmsd_0923 wrote: post #132

corobo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This makes it highly resistant to censorship We should probably stop using this phrase as a feature Instant thought was "ok so other than this channel it's all racism"

What we really need is to stop listening to people who have this kind of attitude.

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Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by wiskinator » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:41 PM UTC

corobo wrote: post #48

fragileone wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a peer-to-peer video client, with part of it's data being directly shared (similarly to torrents) and part via a blockchain. This makes it highly resistant to censorship and thus is where many people are moving their channels to.

> This makes it highly resistant to censorship We should probably stop using this phrase as a feature Instant thought was "ok so other than this channel it's all racism"

You're getting downvoted, but I completely agree. 'Resistant to censorship' has become a dogwhistle for "you can post your racist / fascist BS here".

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by da_chicken » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:44 PM UTC

pohl wrote: post #144

rjbwork wrote: post #127

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I watch a lot of lefty "news" and infotainment. I still get ads for the conservative propaganda, survival rations, prepping, etc. I think it's because I also watch a lot of firearms hobby content. Kinda silly, but it does make me chuckle that people like Ben Shapiro, PragerU, and 4Patriots are subsidizing my lefty youtube subscriptions.

I mostly consume guitar technique & music theory videos, yet I still see ads suggesting I might want to buy & bury a plastic tote full of MREs out in the wilderness just in case. Maybe it's because I live in Nebraska? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's probably part of it, but you can tell YouTube to stop showing you those videos. The algorithm does work it's just kind of like a 7-year-old.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by BizarroLand » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:45 PM UTC

causi wrote: post #169

throwaway316943 wrote: post #146

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> If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind. >…the peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, st…

Everyone always seems happy to carve out their own exceptions to freedom of expression. Freedom, except for racism. Freedom, except for transgenderism. Freedom, except for porn. Freedom, except for violence. Freedom, except for political dissent or mis-gendering or the promotion or criticism of a religion. As someone who falls near the middle on most issues I probably detest a larger percentage of speakers than anyon…

The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant.

It stands to reason then that if all speech is truly free eventually some speech will be censored. America doesn't allow people to say "Fuck" on public TV broadcasts, therefore all speech isn't free. No one is harmed by a curse word. Worst case a child will learn the word a few years earlier than when they usually do, and yet we censor that anyway.

Therefore, you can't say that all speech is free speech on all channels.

What you say in person may at worst get you into an altercation or ostracized, but you have the right to say it. Once your voice is amplified out of earshot you are no longer truly free to speak as you will.

You can say what you want to say, yes, but the repercussions of your words amplify with every repetition. Not everyone is aware of that, and when you are on a platform where, by words, you can incite a group to violence safely from the other side of the country, you should have your speech monitored and censored if need be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance