The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated • Hacker News Board

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by slightwinder » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:19 PM UTC

vorpalhex wrote: post #200

slightwinder wrote: post #172

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It wasn't really the media doing that. It was more a combination between nut heads, meme heads with their umbrella-connection and the first panic. The media just amplified it and rode the wave, as usual. And after the message was out, it was hard to turn it around. And I guess the platforms were just unable to distinguish between them, as also had more interest to wait till the nutty wave died down.

> It wasn't really the media doing that. [1] - https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2021/06/covid-la... [2] - https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/21/politics/coronavirus-lab-theo... [3] - https://www.politifact.com/li-meng-yan-fact-check/

Not sure what you mean. These articles are all from 6+ months after the first panic. At that point, the theories were already long merged and spreading wild. They were already present from the first days in January 2020, when China's situation became epidemic. And this didn't really change till spring 2021 when everyone cooled down a bit and sanity returned a bit.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by kragen » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

heh9001 wrote: post #75

omgitsabird wrote: post #31

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This seems rather vague. Can you give examples of propaganda?

Anything you see on the front page of youtube, i.e. you didn't specifically search for it, is most likely being promoted by some ad agency or think tank somewhere down the line. Meaning it's propaganda to some extent. The exceptions to this rule are, of course, independent creators that the algorithm latches onto, but the algorithm only promotes videos that people are gonna click on and generate revenue for Youtube.…

I see "African grey parrot singing along to I can see clearly now", "Cucumbers are cat's enemy - Funny Pet Reaction | Purr Purr", "Cockatoo Farts and Runs Away", "House Relax: Ed Sheeran, Martin Garrix, Kygo, Dua Lipa, Avicii, The...", "Venezuela 1-3 Argentina | Eliminatorias a Qatar 2022 -...", etc.

This is because yesterday I looked at videos of Alex the African grey parrot.

As far as I can tell, there are no ad agencies or think tanks involved here, except I guess that Atlantic Records made Ed Sheeran more popular than he was already by promoting him. I think this is pretty much purely "videos that people are gonna click on".

The propaganda is in what's missing.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by spurgu » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #60

enriquto wrote: post #32

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> Here's to hoping the channel is rightly reinstated ASAP I for one am not looking forward to this. Youtube is no longer an acceptable platform for distributing your videos. If a person who makes good videos is forced out of youtube, that can only be a good thing. Hopefully their videos will help make another service more popular. Youtube terms of service are public and unacceptable. People who get burned by them had…

YouTube should be forced to allow "Watch this video on $COMPETING_SERVICE" links.

What a little authoritarian you are. :)

That train of thought applied across the web would end up a clusterfuck. Who decides what and why?

Authors can already post whatever links in the description, why do you want to force someone to do something?

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by grishka » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:22 PM UTC

comeonseriously wrote: post #215

mabbo wrote: post #193

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Let's presume you're right and this is why the channel was legitimately deleted. Was there a warning? Was there some communication with the owner saying "Hey, what you're doing violates or Ts&Cs"? It seems like if there was, the owner would be tweeting that he disagrees with the deletion rather that completely not understanding why it happened. Putting more humans in the loop would be more expensive, but it would hel…

Algorithms don't warn. Nor do they communicate. They just delete.

So maybe make all algorithm-generated decisions be vetted by a human.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by artificialLimbs » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:23 PM UTC

drcongo wrote: post #208

int_19h wrote: post #199

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It gets filled with all kinds of content, of which racism and other far-right talk is merely the most visible part because it's in the spotlight. But it's not just far right that's getting "deplatformed". Even politically, there are plenty of leftist groups that were wiped out from e.g. Facebook during the recent purges. All those people also have to look for other platforms.

I'm not saying there aren't other valid uses, just that racism is pretty much guaranteed on a no-censorship site. It _should_ be something that we can all agree on as being "bad", even when dressed in its Sunday best from the likes of Jordan Peterson.

I'm open to the possibility of hearing Jordan Peterson saying something racist, but haven't in watching hours and hours of his videos. Please source.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:24 PM UTC

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #161

oblio wrote: post #110

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Congratulations! You've solved the easiest part. Now get back to us in 5 years, when you'll have managed to build a comparable audience just by using SEO.

Wait. Is building an audience using SEO supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing?

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Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by spurgu » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:24 PM UTC

rscoots wrote: post #217

hapless wrote: post #114

It appears to have been banned when the author offered an illegal sweepstakes. Contests and sweepstakes are carefully regulated in America, with slightly different regimes in all 50 states. You should not run one unless you have gotten legal help with it!

That's still begs the question though, why not simply hide or abridge that video. Or add a disclaimer? How can deleting the entire channel without warning possibly be the ethical move here?

It's not. The consensus (here at least) seems quite clear.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by devwastaken » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:24 PM UTC

vorpalhex wrote: post #111

devwastaken wrote: post #76

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Being studied, not accepted in use in humans for COVID. Blame the idiots injecting themselves with the actual horse versions, and the doctors/vets illigally prescribing it. IVM is as useful as eating dirt in relation to COVID, until proven otherwise with studies that aren't fabricated data or otherwise p-hacked to death - it's disinformation, and rightfully removed.

Remember when posting the lab leak hypothesis on Facebook would get you banned and now it's, as best as we can figure, the most plausible theory? There is no human run group fit to decide what is or is not "disinformation".

"most plausible theory" according to whom? It's not a theory, it's a hypothesis with little tangible but evidence due to the nature of chinas control. It could have happened, it may not have. The problem with lab leak discussion on YouTube/Facebook is it was heavily associated with politics, and incredible unsubstantiated claims. "Experts" from nowhere, hired degrees talking about a lab they know nothing about, anonymous and convenient unheard of "researchers" supposedly "exposing the lab leak". The disinformation was incredible. Even if lab leak did happen - very few had the actual proof or good arguments to back it.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by tenaciousDaniel » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:27 PM UTC

danparsonson wrote: post #222

zenron wrote: post #195

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Calling PragerU propaganda is like calling an Western history book written by a religious person contraband. What exact points do you take umbrage with or is this just a signal to your political preference?

Here's a counterpoint for you, regarding the 'war on cars': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z8Tb7OA_F4

Meh, I'm still not seeing what make it propaganda, instead of just a terrible argument.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by hermitdev » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 5:27 PM UTC

teakettle42 wrote: post #229

mcguire wrote: post #196

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What happens if nobody listens to your proofs? What happens if they prefer the lie?

What you’re really asking is “What happens if people do not do what we tell them to do? What happens if they disagree with us?” Is it appropriate to force people to adhere to your strictures if they won’t do so voluntarily?

This is really prescient with the ongoing "debate" around vaccine mandates.