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Post by wintermutestwin »

throwaway316943 wrote: post #146
corobo wrote: post #48

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> This makes it highly resistant to censorship We should probably stop using this phrase as a feature Instant thought was "ok so other than this channel it's all racism"

> If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind. >…the peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, st…

>All these calls for censorship

Isn't the root problem here is the near monopoly held by god-tier corporations? Shouldn't FB/Goog have the right to moderate their content as they see fit? Shouldn't their network effect de facto monopolies be regulated so that there is room for other voices?

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Post by hajile »

kieselguhr_kid wrote: post #116
sprafa wrote: post #99

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I believe ivermectin is a far safer drug than HCQ.

I mean, it's great that you personally believe something, but to make ethical medical decisions we need lots of clinical data. If your belief is well founded, which it damn well might be, the data should bear that out.

The data on the safety of Ivermectin is very well established. It's well-known to be very safe with pretty minimal side effects and extremely low serious side effect rates despite the billions of doses handed out over the past decades.

The real question is about its anti-viral properties. We know they exist, but don't know why or to what extent. Further, we don't know if they extend to COVID and we don't now if the effective dosage is high enough to increase the rates of side effects (especially bad ones).

The result is extremists on both sides saying wild garbage. Either it's the salvation of mankind hidden from you by the grand conspiracy or it's toxic horse dewormer that will certainly kill anyone who even approaches it.

This is a real problem. If I were researching Ivermectin and COVID, I'd be scared that loonies from one side or the other might attempt to hurt me or ruin my life over their delusions.

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Post by dredmorbius »

betwixthewires wrote: post #89
Uehreka wrote: post #42

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If there was a clear alternative that’d be one thing, but there isn’t, and I suspect this creator is one of those high-quality-but-small-audience channels where they don’t have enough pull to bootstrap an alternative themselves. So it seems kind of naive to say “that can only be a good thing”.

Does there need to be "a clear alternative?" A video host is a video host. I don't care where I watch videos, I only care about what I'm trying to watch. I never understood this insistence that a video has to be on a certain site. The more video hosting sites there are the better.

Media publishers, broadcasters, or netcasters (as with YouTube) serve a number of critical roles. Among these are both audience and advertiser aggregation.

Audient aggregation matters because once on site, recommendations and discovery systems increase the likelihood of some other site content being viewed or accessed.

Advertiser appeal matters if advertising provides a significant portion of site revenues (and it virtually always does, for large-scale properties). Advertisers themselves seek audiences, with particular interest in both size and composition. As with audiences, there are cognitive and organisational costs to maintaining multiple relationships, so that advertising platforms tend to grow and monopolise over time. Small niche platforms are of very limited interest.

Both factors intersect with other elements, including site infrastructure development and maintenance, such that large sites have vastly superior economies of scale. This includes a lot of activities and benefits with low public visibility including moderation, abuse, legal, and general business overhead effects.

The overall result is a pronounced tendency to create large and durable media monopolies. New technologies may disrupt earlier established entities for a time. But the old structures have an exceedingly high likelihood of re-emerging. More pointedly, technologies of greater efficiency only amplify the tendency to form, and the size of, such monopolies.

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Post by SnowProblem »

vorpalhex wrote: post #157
OldTimeCoffee wrote: post #155

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It's in significant use in humans as a dewormer, though. It's used in humans to treat river blindness which is caused by a worm. It's also used for the prevention of worms in dogs. It's fair to call it a dewormer, even if you disagree with including the 'horse' part. It's not an anti-viral in any sense of the word.

Correct, and while it's use as an anti-viral has been noted pre-covid we don't understand what it's method of action is, or why it sometimes behaves as an anti-viral. I'm not recommending using drugs we don't understand or have a full picture of. I am recommending to stop calling it horse dewormer. At the very least call it an anti-parasitic in use in the 3rd and 2nd worlds.

Two people in my circle were taking IVM pre-pandemic to treat rosacea and lyme disease. This is not an obscure drug in the 1st world. It also doesn't need to be an anti-viral to work on covid - it's already a general anti-inflammatory. Inflammation of the lungs is why people can't breath and often die, and that inflammation is due to the body's own immune response, not the virus itself. The virus is gone by that point. But our standard protocol at first symptoms does not include treating potential inflammation, so by the time people get to hospital it's often too late. It's not good.

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Post by comeonseriously »

mabbo wrote: post #193
hapless wrote: post #114

It appears to have been banned when the author offered an illegal sweepstakes. Contests and sweepstakes are carefully regulated in America, with slightly different regimes in all 50 states. You should not run one unless you have gotten legal help with it!

Let's presume you're right and this is why the channel was legitimately deleted. Was there a warning? Was there some communication with the owner saying "Hey, what you're doing violates or Ts&Cs"? It seems like if there was, the owner would be tweeting that he disagrees with the deletion rather that completely not understanding why it happened. Putting more humans in the loop would be more expensive, but it would hel…

Algorithms don't warn. Nor do they communicate. They just delete.

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Post by ganoushoreilly »

juniperplant wrote: post #185
EastToWest wrote: post #125

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Source? The creator's twitter doesn't mention that at all.

There was a giveaway of a Tuxedo laptop[1]. Whoever wanted to participate had to comment on the video announcing the giveaway, which apparently goes against YouTube's TOS (as far as I can tell comments count affects YouTube's algorithm). [1] https://odysee.com/@TheLinuxExperiment:e/win-the-tuxedo-aura...

If that's it, it's a ridiculous premise. I won some music equipment from Sweetwater by liking and commenting on a video (though not sure they would be able to verify the like).

I expect things like this to continue to grow as we rely more and more on algorithms in all walks of life without thinking through true recourse options.

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Post by rscoots »

hapless wrote: post #114

It appears to have been banned when the author offered an illegal sweepstakes. Contests and sweepstakes are carefully regulated in America, with slightly different regimes in all 50 states. You should not run one unless you have gotten legal help with it!

That's still begs the question though, why not simply hide or abridge that video. Or add a disclaimer?

How can deleting the entire channel without warning possibly be the ethical move here?

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Post by vl »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #91
devwastaken wrote: post #72

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Watch one "conservative news" video and it will do a complete 180. Ads for "rations", "preparing for the end of the world", "how to be self sustainable", tons of PragerU propaganda, and some of the most low quality l BS you'll ever see from political ads. YouTube delivers content based on what you've watched.

Yeah I watched some 'forgotten weapons' and 'demolition ranch' videos, and it was wild how quickly my feed changed from science and history stuff to conservative talking points. I spent a rather long time marking videos as 'do not recommend this channel, I dislike this video' etc, before things returned to normal.

Another simple way to address this is to remove uninteresting videos from history, then recommendations go back to normal. We have to do it on our kids account periodically.

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Post by throwaway316943 »

sanderjd wrote: post #186
causi wrote: post #169

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Everyone always seems happy to carve out their own exceptions to freedom of expression. Freedom, except for racism. Freedom, except for transgenderism. Freedom, except for porn. Freedom, except for violence. Freedom, except for political dissent or mis-gendering or the promotion or criticism of a religion. As someone who falls near the middle on most issues I probably detest a larger percentage of speakers than anyon…

The privilege to broadcast thoughts to billions of people at no cost is one that we just invented in the last twenty years. It is not a right.

In that case lets apply your principal evenly to all rights.

Freedom of movement: heading somewhere we don’t agree with, ok but you aren’t allowed to use public roads since we own those. Good luck getting to the voting station.

Freedom of assembly: we don’t support your protests cause, stay off public property, go hold your protest at your own house.

Freedom of conscience: fine think whatever you want but if you attempt to record it in any way we’ll block you.

A right without the means to act on it is nothing at all. You’re arguing for a society built like a prison. You should be ashamed.

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Post by colordrops »

comeonseriously wrote: post #215
mabbo wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's presume you're right and this is why the channel was legitimately deleted. Was there a warning? Was there some communication with the owner saying "Hey, what you're doing violates or Ts&Cs"? It seems like if there was, the owner would be tweeting that he disagrees with the deletion rather that completely not understanding why it happened. Putting more humans in the loop would be more expensive, but it would hel…

Algorithms don't warn. Nor do they communicate. They just delete.

Yes but the servers that software that use these algorithms are perfectly capable of including business logic for warning and communicating.
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