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El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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It’s amazing how countries are wholeheartedly adopting this thing as an official currency that we have no idea who invented and for what purpose. I mean sure, there’s a white paper that says why it was invented, but why should anyone believe it? If it does turn out to be malicious it’s going to make for one hell of a cautionary tale.

> The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Genesis_block

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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They are using lightning wallets. So no on chain settling. No (extra) trees were harmed for hamburgers (though obviously opening and closing of channels and initial mining it self is energy intensive).

Actually, they are not even using lighning wallets. They are using a centralized payment processor that has personal accounts for users, like any other payment app. This centralized processor happens to use lightning wallets in its backend, but there is no 1:1 mapping of payment_account:lightning_wallet. And since Lightning itself doesn't interact with the blockchain except when you open/close payment channels, there…

You can use any lightning wallet in El Salvador. There’s no need to use a particular provider, or even a provider at all. If you want to buy the requisite hardware (I think a raspberry pi and a USB SSD is the budget approach) you can completely self-host.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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Monetary Policy. Can someone explain how a country plans to implement a monetary policy (e.g. inject new currency during a recession to fund expansion) when they don’t control their national currency (Bitcoin).

It seems their monetary policy is remittances.

My guess is ppl will quickly cash out to dollars. But how will the dollars get back to the local exchanges unless people are buying bitcoin there?

This seems like a disaster in the making.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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I'm envisioning a lot of dirty looks from paper cash-preferring shopkeepers to crypto tourists when the tourists buy up all shop's inventory and leave the shopkeeper with just a few numbers in some app. EDIT: To be clear, I mean tourists each individually buying a normal amount of things using BTC, which adds up to the store exchanging it's inventory for a number in the app.

Didn’t the grandparent comment explain that in such a case, legal tender doesn’t apply? There’s no debt in a normal shopping transaction, the shopkeeper is free to accept whatever they wish or reject the transaction entirely.

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Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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> To warm up a skeptical public, Bukele has promised every citizen $30 in bitcoin if they sign up for a government digital wallet. Ahead of the launch, El Salvador bought 400 bitcoins, Bukele said, helping drive the currency price above $52,000 for the first time since May. > In the early hours of Tuesday the wallet had not appeared on Apple Inc., Google and Huawei’s app download platforms, however, prompting a serie…

I've been watching this situation from 50K feet and I think the reason they built their own wallet is for the ability, for merchants, to cash out any bitcoin payment in USD instead of BTC using the government swap system

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Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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Why go with Bitcoin specifically? Why not use the Celo blockchain or Algorand instead and create their own stable coins on there? Both these networks are proof of work, transactions are very fast and cheap as well. Bitcoin is slow to validate transactions, is environmentally costly, and its value fluctuate, so I'm not sure what they were thinking. I wonder what the 30$ they receive from the gov is worth today after t…

Because the president has fallen prey to the 1% fallacy.

He’s on record at a Bitcoin conference saying “BTC is worth x billion dollars, if we can attract just 1% of that to El Salavador as investment…”

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm envisioning a lot of dirty looks from paper cash-preferring shopkeepers to crypto tourists when the tourists buy up all shop's inventory and leave the shopkeeper with just a few numbers in some app. EDIT: To be clear, I mean tourists each individually buying a normal amount of things using BTC, which adds up to the store exchanging it's inventory for a number in the app.

Didn’t the grandparent comment explain that in such a case, legal tender doesn’t apply? There’s no debt in a normal shopping transaction, the shopkeeper is free to accept whatever they wish or reject the transaction entirely.

That's how it works in the US but it's mandatory in El Salvador. I believe the dictator there has been threatening folks who don't accept Bitcoin with punishment. Needless to say this is good for Bitcoin. [1]

[1] https://u.today/el-salvador-government-to-punish-businesses-...

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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post #99

Monetary Policy. Can someone explain how a country plans to implement a monetary policy (e.g. inject new currency during a recession to fund expansion) when they don’t control their national currency (Bitcoin).

It seems their monetary policy is remittances. My guess is ppl will quickly cash out to dollars. But how will the dollars get back to the local exchanges unless people are buying bitcoin there? This seems like a disaster in the making.

Indeed, but it’s still a natural experiment to observe.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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In El Salvador it means an obligation to accept it. Which is good for bitcoin adoption but does reduce people's freedom to refuse it

I'm envisioning a lot of dirty looks from paper cash-preferring shopkeepers to crypto tourists when the tourists buy up all shop's inventory and leave the shopkeeper with just a few numbers in some app. EDIT: To be clear, I mean tourists each individually buying a normal amount of things using BTC, which adds up to the store exchanging it's inventory for a number in the app.

I suspect the number of people who would actually do this sort of thing is quite minuscule. They could probably be handled with something like "Well tourist, the cops here think it is a civil matter so you can spend the rest of your vacation dealing with the local legal system if you really want to buy everything in this random shop for some reason."

I suspect more likely some rich people will find it more convenient to pay their tax bill.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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> To warm up a skeptical public, Bukele has promised every citizen $30 in bitcoin if they sign up for a government digital wallet. Ahead of the launch, El Salvador bought 400 bitcoins, Bukele said, helping drive the currency price above $52,000 for the first time since May. > In the early hours of Tuesday the wallet had not appeared on Apple Inc., Google and Huawei’s app download platforms, however, prompting a serie…

I’d be skeptical about using a government wallet as well, though it could potentially make initial disbursements easier.

I'd be even more skeptical about using a government wallet hosted on an Apple / Google app store.
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