I'm glad that they are at least removing that fallacy and people can't quote it any longer.
ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' from website after activist arrested
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Re: ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' from website after activist arrested
#242Be careful when companies market themselves as Swiss or that due to them being located in Switzerland means there is some extra layer of security or privacy. Sure, it's a more stable country than many other countries in the world, but not much different from most EU countries for example. And privacy wise there is no difference. Be also aware of the fact that many companies market themselves as Swiss, but all it mean…
Proton has always been as bad a hushmail
Re: ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' from website after activist arrested
#243Be careful when companies market themselves as Swiss or that due to them being located in Switzerland means there is some extra layer of security or privacy. Sure, it's a more stable country than many other countries in the world, but not much different from most EU countries for example. And privacy wise there is no difference. Be also aware of the fact that many companies market themselves as Swiss, but all it mean…
Yeah I also bought a lifetime plan from that cloud storage company few years ago, scammed by the marketing page, only to find out somewhere in the settings page that my data were never in switzerland or even in EU but were physically in US, and had to pay to move them to EU, just deleted my account, I guess the swiss thing is just a marketing scam
You got played. Just remember to never trust marketing in the future and always read the fine print, no matter how long it may be.
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#244It‘s really tiresome how it‘s become the normal to market all kind of fantasy interpretations of your value proposition and banish all nuance to legalese documents. ProtonMail has enough to justify itself, it doesn‘t need all the over the top claims of Swissness or blunt statements about privacy that are only half truths. They could also do without their spintastic, content marketing blog.
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#245The ProtonMail guys always said that unless they were 20 miles from the littoral, in the sea side, they had to abide by national laws. So it was bound to happen. What makes me sad is how flimsy their entire premise (not necessarily "promise") turned out to be: all it took was some minor rascal in France to hug the wrong tree (so to speak), and ProtonMail is in the open saying they can't even protect the IP address of…
The premise of "we'll never log your IPs" is something that no company can hold. - Local law enforcement can force the to do so. - Locals laws can change. - Guys with guns might barge in and demand it. Mostly, you can understand that they don't _intend_ to log IPs, and aren't in the business of collecting and redistributing data. But that doesn't mean you can count on absolute and unconditional secrecy.
Whats the corollary with brick-and-mortar:
Assume you're an all cash business - can governments require that you take and log every customer's ID?
Re: ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' from website after activist arrested
#246i know there are some Protonmail guys reading this thread... people choose your service exactly for this very same reason, good luck trying to regain people trust
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#247Be careful when companies market themselves as Swiss or that due to them being located in Switzerland means there is some extra layer of security or privacy. Sure, it's a more stable country than many other countries in the world, but not much different from most EU countries for example. And privacy wise there is no difference. Be also aware of the fact that many companies market themselves as Swiss, but all it mean…
Switzerland deserves no brand for secrecy. USA broke their back. They opened their private banking. Their Crypto AG was totally rooted.
> USA broke their back. They opened their private banking
If you've ever been to a really large American city, you'll notice all the logos of the large Swiss banks on big tall shiny office towers. The USA said that if they want to keep doing that, then they have to follow American laws. The Swiss banks decided that running their businesses in America was more profitable than secrecy.
"Follow our laws or get out" is not even remotely controversial.
Re: ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' from website after activist arrested
#248The expectation that Proton would be able to disobey the legal requests of their local authorities with impunity is unrealistic. Protonmail makes certain claims about privacy, particularly about encryption. They don't make any claims that they have the intention, or ability for that matter, to defy local authorities at their peril. Like Grugq said in one of his presentations (paraphrased): "Don't expect your VPN comp…
This is exactly what baffled me about people saying "I'm cancelling my PM subscription" as if they didn't make this abundantly clear. In their transparency report, they state very clearly that they "may also be obligated to monitor the IP addresses" being used to access accounts engaged in criminal activity. Privacy activists, for some reason, don't take the time to read transparency reports.
> This is exactly what baffled me about people saying "I'm cancelling my PM subscription" as if they didn't make this abundantly clear.
We are on a thread talking about them removing claims on their marketing material... that's abundantly clear to you?
Have we reached that level of expectation? That it's abundantly clear when marketing material are not saying the same thing as reports?
> In addition to the items listed in our privacy policy, in extreme criminal cases, ProtonMail may also be obligated to monitor the IP addresses which are being used to access the ProtonMail accounts which are engaged in criminal activities.
This is what the Transparency Report say too. In EXTREME criminal cases. Is it abundantly clear to you this case is an EXTREME criminal cases too? This was someone that manifested by squatting a building... is that extreme to you? My definition of extreme is a tiny bit higher, I would expect risk of life or at least a pretty large amount of money involved... not a bunch of kids manifesting gentrification.
Re: ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' from website after activist arrested
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think signal approach is the best. You can't be forced to turn in something you don't have.
But what makes you think they don't log ips. They could too. If whatever country they are based on ask them too
It doesn't matter, what matter is what inside the message.
Re: ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' from website after activist arrested
#250The ProtonMail guys always said that unless they were 20 miles from the littoral, in the sea side, they had to abide by national laws. So it was bound to happen. What makes me sad is how flimsy their entire premise (not necessarily "promise") turned out to be: all it took was some minor rascal in France to hug the wrong tree (so to speak), and ProtonMail is in the open saying they can't even protect the IP address of…
I would assume you'd also need to have some sort of armed forces too, otherwise whichever country wants you data can sail over with their Navy and take it.