The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated • Hacker News Board

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by vorpalhex » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:43 PM UTC

devwastaken wrote: post #76

sprafa wrote: post #41

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The current “ivermectin is a dangerous horse dewormer” debacle has been the biggest example of a moment where I’m not sure whether everyone is lying at this point. YouTube censored a few videos with actual experts and doctors who were discussing ivm. Yes we had issues with HCQ in the beginning, but ivm is being actually studied right now by Oxford Uni/NHS in their big covid trials in the UK… it’s amazing what a hit j…

Being studied, not accepted in use in humans for COVID. Blame the idiots injecting themselves with the actual horse versions, and the doctors/vets illigally prescribing it. IVM is as useful as eating dirt in relation to COVID, until proven otherwise with studies that aren't fabricated data or otherwise p-hacked to death - it's disinformation, and rightfully removed.

Remember when posting the lab leak hypothesis on Facebook would get you banned and now it's, as best as we can figure, the most plausible theory?

There is no human run group fit to decide what is or is not "disinformation".

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by blitzar » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:44 PM UTC

sprafa wrote: post #98

blitzar wrote: post #78

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> ivm is being actually studied right now by Oxford Uni/NHS in their big covid trials in the UK So you are saying because something is being investigated it must have strong positive properties? Well - have I got something for you ... You know when you take a poo and flush it down the toilet? Did you know all this time you could be eating it, and it would have tremendous health benefits? Dont believe me? They did a s…

I never said anything of the sort.

You said the proof it is a 'hit job by the media' is because the medication is 'being actually studied right now by Oxford Uni'

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by OneEyedRobot » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:44 PM UTC

tedivm wrote: post #93

RegnisGnaw wrote: post #88

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The choice of "content neutrality" is pretty much keyword also for: 1. constantly reeling from one public backlash after the other 2. advertising dropping you due to controversial content 3. government coming after you for controversial content If I were a business, I'd go content moderation all the way. Less blow black and more steady income.

Most of these platforms start off trying to be content neutral and end up adding more moderation as a result of how badly it ends up hurting them. There's only so many times advertisers are willing to have their brand shown next to child pornography (ie, reddit's former /r/jailbait) or hate speech. If complete neutrality was an answer these companies would be doing that, since it's the cheapest option.

It seems to me that content neutral (neutrality? neutralness?) and copyright violations are there in order to build eyeballs and brand. You use them for growth.

Once the size is there, you curate. Profit becomes the issue and the tendency is to simply become cable TV with thousands of channels.

I wonder how you could architect video access for content that gets peoples' knickers in a twist but is still legal. There's loads of single points of failures still. TV settop box access, smart TV/Roku access, the difficulties and expense in storing and serving up video, etc.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by hapless » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:44 PM UTC

It appears to have been banned when the author offered an illegal sweepstakes.

Contests and sweepstakes are carefully regulated in America, with slightly different regimes in all 50 states. You should not run one unless you have gotten legal help with it!

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by betwixthewires » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:45 PM UTC

martin_a wrote: post #106

betwixthewires wrote: post #92

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For video hosting I'd go with Peertube.

No! These networks, no matter how they work under the hood, are obviously the problem, as they are single points of failure. Run your own stuff. Most channels will not have enough visitors/viewers to kill a shared webhosting package, so there's no big deal in doing this on your own.

Peertube is tube site software that you can run yourself. It is a way to run your own stuff.

https://joinpeertube.org/

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by kieselguhr_kid » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:46 PM UTC

sprafa wrote: post #99

uj8efdkjfdshf wrote: post #80

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I mean, it's quite likely the ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine has some effect against the virus in the early stages of infection, but their use needs to be balanced against their side effects, of which there are many. It's like how bleach kills cancer cells, but you really shouldn't be treating cancer with it...

I believe ivermectin is a far safer drug than HCQ.

I mean, it's great that you personally believe something, but to make ethical medical decisions we need lots of clinical data. If your belief is well founded, which it damn well might be, the data should bear that out.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by shadowgovt » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:46 PM UTC

gambler wrote: post #87

Any large communication platform has a choice: either accept some form of content neutrality or become a petty and chaotic tyrant constantly reeling from one public backlash after the other. YouTube made its choice. Now, random videos and channels get demonetized, content gets deleted for no reason and people covering basic news speak in code to avoid the wrath of the idiot AI. In the background Google publishes bats…

In this case, looks like someone hacked authorization to the channel and deleted it. This is probably not "channel taken down for violating policy," but instead "channel deleted by 'owner.'"

The wording in the email from Google suggests they don't yet have enough info to trust the inquisiting email comes from the channel owner (source: my own experience proving email account A and email account B were the same person).

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by caeril » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:47 PM UTC

gambler wrote: post #87

Any large communication platform has a choice: either accept some form of content neutrality or become a petty and chaotic tyrant constantly reeling from one public backlash after the other. YouTube made its choice. Now, random videos and channels get demonetized, content gets deleted for no reason and people covering basic news speak in code to avoid the wrath of the idiot AI. In the background Google publishes bats…

> either accept some form of content neutrality or become a petty and chaotic tyrant constantly reeling from one public backlash after the other

No, there is a middle ground that Google, with its army of engineers, could implement in a weekend:

1. You stop trying to assume you know what advertisers want their ads to be displayed on.

2. You implement a basic, fixed (but can be expanded) ACL-type system based on categories such as "hacking content", "politically sketchy content", "sexual content", etc.

3. YOU LET THE GOD DAMN ADVERTISERS DECIDE FOR THEIR OWN GOD DAMNED SELVES WHAT KIND OF CONTENT THEY'RE OK WITH ADVERTISING ON.

4. You end up spending LESS on content moderator salaries, and end up with FEWER unhappy advertisers because THEY can align their principles with the content. Hak5/Sparkfun would be fine advertising on Linux Experiments. I'm sure MyPillow would be happy to advertise on a Q Conspiracy channel. The demand for this feature is unquestionably there.

5. You stop playing God and pretending that the concept of global "community standards" means anything at all in a world with 7 billion people and hundreds of thousands of disparate interests-based communities, each with their own disparate community standards.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by hashkb » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:47 PM UTC

gambler wrote: post #87

Any large communication platform has a choice: either accept some form of content neutrality or become a petty and chaotic tyrant constantly reeling from one public backlash after the other. YouTube made its choice. Now, random videos and channels get demonetized, content gets deleted for no reason and people covering basic news speak in code to avoid the wrath of the idiot AI. In the background Google publishes bats…

Don't forget the police playing copyrighted music while they abuse you to stop you from filming them. When the police are ahead of the tech, you know the People are f'd.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by mkmk » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:48 PM UTC

throwawaysea wrote: post #109

tedivm wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of these platforms start off trying to be content neutral and end up adding more moderation as a result of how badly it ends up hurting them. There's only so many times advertisers are willing to have their brand shown next to child pornography (ie, reddit's former /r/jailbait) or hate speech. If complete neutrality was an answer these companies would be doing that, since it's the cheapest option.

> There's only so many times advertisers are willing to have their brand shown next to child pornography (ie, reddit's former /r/jailbait) or hate speech. I’m not sure advertisers care about this as much as people claim. YouTube’s censorship really ramped up in 2017 after Trump was elected, and was fairly limited before then. I don’t think they had trouble with advertisers before then all those years. I could be wron…

Many times advertisers honestly just don’t know. You’re spending a lot of money across a lot of different channels, and then all of a sudden somebody says, “uh-oh, we’re getting dragged on Twitter for advertising on $bad_page.” You definitely don’t like child porn or covid disinformation or anything like that, and the tweets make you look like an idiot, so you email the owner of $bad_page (some sort of advertising network, or maybe a site like Reddit) and say “if my ads are ever on this page again, I will pull my budget from your entire network.”