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Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by sprafa »

omgitsabird wrote: post #31
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #18

YouTube has been changing in weird ways in the last year or so. The amount of propaganda on the platform is ridiculous, though very frequently disguised as "news" or "educational". As someone who's been around quite a bit, I can also imagine that it doesn't look like propaganda to average Americans (I'd be glad to be wrong on this). A great deal of content is just plain sophistry too. Inspecting comments, it seems th…

This seems rather vague. Can you give examples of propaganda?

The current “ivermectin is a dangerous horse dewormer” debacle has been the biggest example of a moment where I’m not sure whether everyone is lying at this point. YouTube censored a few videos with actual experts and doctors who were discussing ivm.

Yes we had issues with HCQ in the beginning, but ivm is being actually studied right now by Oxford Uni/NHS in their big covid trials in the UK… it’s amazing what a hit job the media is doing on it.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by Uehreka »

enriquto wrote: post #32
mcjiggerlog wrote: post #17

The Linux Experiment is probably my favourite linux-focussed YouTube channel. Nick has been doing absolutely fantastic work and his channel being permanently deleted would be an absolute travesty and a clear mistake. He is producing high quality, thoughtful, inoffensive content. Here's to hoping the channel is rightly reinstated ASAP, along with an apology and explanation from Google. Also, if you don't know the chan…

> Here's to hoping the channel is rightly reinstated ASAP I for one am not looking forward to this. Youtube is no longer an acceptable platform for distributing your videos. If a person who makes good videos is forced out of youtube, that can only be a good thing. Hopefully their videos will help make another service more popular. Youtube terms of service are public and unacceptable. People who get burned by them had…

If there was a clear alternative that’d be one thing, but there isn’t, and I suspect this creator is one of those high-quality-but-small-audience channels where they don’t have enough pull to bootstrap an alternative themselves. So it seems kind of naive to say “that can only be a good thing”.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by fragileone »

drcongo wrote: post #29
mcjiggerlog wrote: post #17

The Linux Experiment is probably my favourite linux-focussed YouTube channel. Nick has been doing absolutely fantastic work and his channel being permanently deleted would be an absolute travesty and a clear mistake. He is producing high quality, thoughtful, inoffensive content. Here's to hoping the channel is rightly reinstated ASAP, along with an apology and explanation from Google. Also, if you don't know the chan…

What is Odysee? I'm intrigued because at first glance it seems to be better than YouTube in almost every way possible. Page loads are quick, if you turn off AutoPlay it actually stays off, the controls are actually usable on an iPad etc.

It's a peer-to-peer video client, with part of it's data being directly shared (similarly to torrents) and part via a blockchain. This makes it highly resistant to censorship and thus is where many people are moving their channels to.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by bilbo0s »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #18

YouTube has been changing in weird ways in the last year or so. The amount of propaganda on the platform is ridiculous, though very frequently disguised as "news" or "educational". As someone who's been around quite a bit, I can also imagine that it doesn't look like propaganda to average Americans (I'd be glad to be wrong on this). A great deal of content is just plain sophistry too. Inspecting comments, it seems th…

I can also imagine that it doesn't look like propaganda to average Americans

It looks like propaganda to us too.

We're not quite as dumb as the rest of the world thinks. That said, I suppose everyone's a bit dumber than they think they are, so take my statement with a grain of salt.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by Gollapalli »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #22
Gollapalli wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think about it, publicly traded companies are precisely that: nationalized. They exist as partly as government fiat, and partly of managerial control, but not as property. They are, by necessity, of somewhat unknowable, and almost always unaccountable ownership, ownership so diffuse it may be regarded as a generally representative subset of and equivalent to the general public. As such, can any public company…

Publicly traded companies have a main goal of making profits for shareholders. This seldom aligns with the public's interest. For many (most?) companies, only the rich have any voting power, whereas the majority of the population just has to follow along. Publicly traded companies are like a democracy where you get more votes the more money you have. The implication here is that your voice/needs are only important if…

Yeah, that's what we're all taught.

But, the actual incentive structure of "who controls the corporation?" is not shareholders, whose ownership is a) so diffuse as to be unknowable, sans documentation from a stock exchange b) very often held by proxies, with voting rights exercised by those proxies as well [1], c) nearly impossible to coordinate, even when the majority of shares in in private hands, and d) frequently bought back and owned by management itself. Looking at this structure, one can say that the actual control of the corporation is held a) by the people that manage it, b) by the people that capitalize it (not the same thing as stockholdership) and c) by the people that regulate it. c) is very clearly the government. You could make a very good case that b) is indirectly the government as well, since it comes from banking institutions who receive money to lend from the federal government, or rather, the ability to create debt.

My point is that, given the diffusion and non-coordination of ownership of a publicly traded company, combined with the effect of regulation, (and if you know anything about regulatory capture), the coordination of regulation with the large interests being regulated, public corporations may be treated, quite reasonably as public.

[1] Something to the tune of a fifth of all shares of Fortune 500 companies are held by Blackrock, Fidelity and Vanguard, as a part of how they issue index funds. These financial institutions are the ones who execute the voting rights on those shares, not the people who bought the index funds. See: https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2020/11/the-new-power-bro...

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by grey_earthling »

rvz wrote: post #2

Once again, using the private platform argument here: YouTube (owned by Google) reserves the right to terminate and de-platform anyone's account who has been in violation of YouTube's guidelines and terms of service. You can criticise, protest, appeal, scream or throw a tantrum about it, etc but you should finally see that this can happen to anyone sitting on private platforms like YouTube. YouTube will never change…

I hope cases like this lead more people to understand that proprietors of private services do have so much control (even if they often wield it soberly), and persuade them to consider decentralised or protocol-based open alternatives.

As ever, Tony Benn's five questions are instructive: “what power do you have; where did you get it; in whose interests do you exercise it; to whom are you accountable; and, how can we get rid of you?”

=> https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/1998-11-16/debates/db3...

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by z3ncyberpunk »

omgitsabird wrote: post #31
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #18

YouTube has been changing in weird ways in the last year or so. The amount of propaganda on the platform is ridiculous, though very frequently disguised as "news" or "educational". As someone who's been around quite a bit, I can also imagine that it doesn't look like propaganda to average Americans (I'd be glad to be wrong on this). A great deal of content is just plain sophistry too. Inspecting comments, it seems th…

This seems rather vague. Can you give examples of propaganda?

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Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by corobo »

fragileone wrote: post #43
drcongo wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is Odysee? I'm intrigued because at first glance it seems to be better than YouTube in almost every way possible. Page loads are quick, if you turn off AutoPlay it actually stays off, the controls are actually usable on an iPad etc.

It's a peer-to-peer video client, with part of it's data being directly shared (similarly to torrents) and part via a blockchain. This makes it highly resistant to censorship and thus is where many people are moving their channels to.

> This makes it highly resistant to censorship

We should probably stop using this phrase as a feature

Instant thought was "ok so other than this channel it's all racism"

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by enriquto »

Uehreka wrote: post #42
enriquto wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Here's to hoping the channel is rightly reinstated ASAP I for one am not looking forward to this. Youtube is no longer an acceptable platform for distributing your videos. If a person who makes good videos is forced out of youtube, that can only be a good thing. Hopefully their videos will help make another service more popular. Youtube terms of service are public and unacceptable. People who get burned by them had…

If there was a clear alternative that’d be one thing, but there isn’t, and I suspect this creator is one of those high-quality-but-small-audience channels where they don’t have enough pull to bootstrap an alternative themselves. So it seems kind of naive to say “that can only be a good thing”.

Ultra-famous accounts with zillions of subscribers are likely on a first-name basis with the youtube admins who cater to them. The move out of the platform will of course start from below.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by gruez »

cbradford wrote: post #11
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is apparently a large contingent of people on this site holding the belief that if your private platform is large then the government should step in to force you to host things you don't want to host. It's kinda funny, because it's effectively saying that they want to nationalize tech companies for being successful.

For over 100 years we have had laws and rules that prescribe that when a firm or industry reaches monopoly statue they must act as a common carrier and not discriminate. Been that way since telephones and railroads. People should understand history, this is not a new challenge and the solutions are already on the books. https://blog.scorchedweb.com/technology/supreme-court-on-con...

>For over 100 years we have had laws and rules that prescribe that when a firm or industry reaches monopoly statue they must act as a common carrier and not discriminate.

Was that because they got big, or was it because they were granted a government monopoly?

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