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Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by wing-_-nuts » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:22 PM UTC

devwastaken wrote: post #72

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #18

YouTube has been changing in weird ways in the last year or so. The amount of propaganda on the platform is ridiculous, though very frequently disguised as "news" or "educational". As someone who's been around quite a bit, I can also imagine that it doesn't look like propaganda to average Americans (I'd be glad to be wrong on this). A great deal of content is just plain sophistry too. Inspecting comments, it seems th…

Watch one "conservative news" video and it will do a complete 180. Ads for "rations", "preparing for the end of the world", "how to be self sustainable", tons of PragerU propaganda, and some of the most low quality l BS you'll ever see from political ads. YouTube delivers content based on what you've watched.

Yeah I watched some 'forgotten weapons' and 'demolition ranch' videos, and it was wild how quickly my feed changed from science and history stuff to conservative talking points. I spent a rather long time marking videos as 'do not recommend this channel, I dislike this video' etc, before things returned to normal.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by betwixthewires » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:22 PM UTC

martin_a wrote: post #70

Uehreka wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there was a clear alternative that’d be one thing, but there isn’t, and I suspect this creator is one of those high-quality-but-small-audience channels where they don’t have enough pull to bootstrap an alternative themselves. So it seems kind of naive to say “that can only be a good thing”.

> where they don’t have enough pull to bootstrap an alternative Maybe I'm thinking too easy, but what about self-hosting. Some "all inclusive" hosting with Hugo or whatever static page builder you like. That should be enough to get your content out to the masses. Throw in Disqus if you really need to, set up an RSS feed and a newsletter and let's go.

For video hosting I'd go with Peertube.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by tedivm » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:27 PM UTC

RegnisGnaw wrote: post #88

gambler wrote: post #87

Any large communication platform has a choice: either accept some form of content neutrality or become a petty and chaotic tyrant constantly reeling from one public backlash after the other. YouTube made its choice. Now, random videos and channels get demonetized, content gets deleted for no reason and people covering basic news speak in code to avoid the wrath of the idiot AI. In the background Google publishes bats…

The choice of "content neutrality" is pretty much keyword also for: 1. constantly reeling from one public backlash after the other 2. advertising dropping you due to controversial content 3. government coming after you for controversial content If I were a business, I'd go content moderation all the way. Less blow black and more steady income.

Most of these platforms start off trying to be content neutral and end up adding more moderation as a result of how badly it ends up hurting them. There's only so many times advertisers are willing to have their brand shown next to child pornography (ie, reddit's former /r/jailbait) or hate speech.

If complete neutrality was an answer these companies would be doing that, since it's the cheapest option.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by BoxOfRain » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:28 PM UTC

gambler wrote: post #87

Any large communication platform has a choice: either accept some form of content neutrality or become a petty and chaotic tyrant constantly reeling from one public backlash after the other. YouTube made its choice. Now, random videos and channels get demonetized, content gets deleted for no reason and people covering basic news speak in code to avoid the wrath of the idiot AI. In the background Google publishes bats…

If we must live in a cyberpunk dystopia, I wish we could at least get sci-fi style "holographic" displays as a consolation prize.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by flavius29663 » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

Enginerrrd wrote: post #83

flavius29663 wrote: post #55

This is anecdotal, but in my experience democrat Americans actually believe everything that the party tells them. They quote the exact same lines, I hear the exact same phrase from different people, and when I ask further questions there is silence. e.g. "rich people stash their money" with absolutely nothing to back that up. Surprisingly, republicans can be more open to conflicting ideas and for debate, even though…

As someone who straddles the lines in the sand, I actually agree that conservatives I interact with seem to be the more open-minded cohort these days, but it's pretty marginal. The big difference is the amount of self-back-patting that liberals do about how "open-minded" they are and their agreement with standard narrative condemning conservatives as closed-minded or uneducated. Though, even that is mirrored by the o…

That is the most ironic thing. In the same breath I hear complaints about "half the population is brainwashed by you know who" and then a narrative taken line for line from the other side. And the funny thing is...I agree with a lot of the Democrat opinions, I just feel very uneasy about such a big cohort thinking exactly the same, with no nuance - it reminds me of state controlled media in a communist country.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by betwixthewires » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

lolinder wrote: post #62

flavius29663 wrote: post #55

This is anecdotal, but in my experience democrat Americans actually believe everything that the party tells them. They quote the exact same lines, I hear the exact same phrase from different people, and when I ask further questions there is silence. e.g. "rich people stash their money" with absolutely nothing to back that up. Surprisingly, republicans can be more open to conflicting ideas and for debate, even though…

I live in a red state and my experience is the opposite. I suspect it might be that when your view is the majority in your area, you're more inclined to shut out opposing ideas as "fringe". It's the "I don't know anyone who voted ___" effect.

I think this phenomenon is the result of a confirmation bias. Half of all people are below average intelligence, so if you live in a majority democrat region most of the stupid people are going to be democrats the same for majority republican regions. Add to that the social friction with going against the herd, the friction must be worthwhile to the person so it is more likely a lot of thought went into someone's conclusions if they're willing to make their life more difficult for it, ideological minorities like that are (probably not remotely near astronomically) more likely to be a more thoughtful. Both of these pressures skew the majority political leaning in any region below average intelligence and have the opposite effect on the minority.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by BoxOfRain » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:34 PM UTC

flavius29663 wrote: post #55

This is anecdotal, but in my experience democrat Americans actually believe everything that the party tells them. They quote the exact same lines, I hear the exact same phrase from different people, and when I ask further questions there is silence. e.g. "rich people stash their money" with absolutely nothing to back that up. Surprisingly, republicans can be more open to conflicting ideas and for debate, even though…

This is just a long-winded way of saying $my_team good, $your_team bad. In my experience anyone who identifies primarily with a political party rather than a political philosophy is far more likely to be guilty of this.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by sprafa » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:34 PM UTC

blitzar wrote: post #78

sprafa wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current “ivermectin is a dangerous horse dewormer” debacle has been the biggest example of a moment where I’m not sure whether everyone is lying at this point. YouTube censored a few videos with actual experts and doctors who were discussing ivm. Yes we had issues with HCQ in the beginning, but ivm is being actually studied right now by Oxford Uni/NHS in their big covid trials in the UK… it’s amazing what a hit j…

> ivm is being actually studied right now by Oxford Uni/NHS in their big covid trials in the UK So you are saying because something is being investigated it must have strong positive properties? Well - have I got something for you ... You know when you take a poo and flush it down the toilet? Did you know all this time you could be eating it, and it would have tremendous health benefits? Dont believe me? They did a s…

I never said anything of the sort.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by sprafa » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:35 PM UTC

uj8efdkjfdshf wrote: post #80

sprafa wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current “ivermectin is a dangerous horse dewormer” debacle has been the biggest example of a moment where I’m not sure whether everyone is lying at this point. YouTube censored a few videos with actual experts and doctors who were discussing ivm. Yes we had issues with HCQ in the beginning, but ivm is being actually studied right now by Oxford Uni/NHS in their big covid trials in the UK… it’s amazing what a hit j…

I mean, it's quite likely the ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine has some effect against the virus in the early stages of infection, but their use needs to be balanced against their side effects, of which there are many. It's like how bleach kills cancer cells, but you really shouldn't be treating cancer with it...

I believe ivermectin is a far safer drug than HCQ.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by bArray » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 2:36 PM UTC

corobo wrote: post #48

fragileone wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a peer-to-peer video client, with part of it's data being directly shared (similarly to torrents) and part via a blockchain. This makes it highly resistant to censorship and thus is where many people are moving their channels to.

> This makes it highly resistant to censorship We should probably stop using this phrase as a feature Instant thought was "ok so other than this channel it's all racism"

Sure, racists are censored by big tech, but also hackers/security researchers (if they show exploits for example), qualified medical doctors/researchers who oppose the official position of the WHO, journalists that share disturbing news (Facebook have been long deleting records of atrocities in Myanmar for example), creators that show the method for recreating dangerous experiments, etc, etc. And that's not to mention the selective monetization and promotion as a backdoor form of censorship too.

I think this just points out a fundamental misconception that censorship only applies to the ideas you oppose to and nothing else. I believe it's fully correct for the word 'censorship' to be used in this context.