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I guess ProtonVPN also is not an exception to such "undeniable" requests. Bad day for company who bank on "no log" policy. Their marketing division will have a ton of work to fix reputation :)
What makes me sad is how flimsy their entire premise (not necessarily "promise") turned out to be: all it took was some minor rascal in France to hug the wrong tree (so to speak), and ProtonMail is in the open saying they can't even protect the IP address of their customers. From there, all it takes is for somebody to change a law in Switzerland and end-to-end encryption of the messages themselves will only be "by default."
I think there is a market for datacenters in open seas.
Welcome to reality.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s not a lie; it said “By default, we do not…”. So under any non-default situations they always could. I guess.
If that is the case, why did they remove this statement? It seems to me that if the statement remained true even though this guy got arrested, it would be true under the "by default" clause. By removing it, they indicate it was never true; or, I suppose, they discovered just how fun it is to get people arrested, and decided to change their policy on the fly! I was even considering switching to them...
As far as I understand according to several comments I read here in HN "99%" of the people don't understand what "by default" means, making the sentence misleading for most.
It is naive to imagine companies that have an address and take payments can ignore judicial decisions.
Yes there's a point about fighting decisions, but as people say "we live in a society".
I guess ProtonVPN also is not an exception to such "undeniable" requests. Bad day for company who bank on "no log" policy. Their marketing division will have a ton of work to fix reputation :)
No, ProtonVPN isn't subject to the same problem (according to the CEO).
For such a stupid thing too. I'm surprised Switzerland provided a warrant for a climate activist.
Saying "omg they arrested a climate activist" is like saying "omg, they arrested filesystem developer Hans Reiser!"
The ProtonMail guys always said that unless they were 20 miles from the littoral, in the sea side, they had to abide by national laws. So it was bound to happen. What makes me sad is how flimsy their entire premise (not necessarily "promise") turned out to be: all it took was some minor rascal in France to hug the wrong tree (so to speak), and ProtonMail is in the open saying they can't even protect the IP address of…
Sealand's HavenCo tried it back in the 2000s. As it turned out, it didn't work well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HavenCo
See: Death of a data haven: cypherpunks, WikiLeaks, and the world’s smallest nation https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/03/sealand-and-have...
This is just ridiculous.. If they receive a notice to log your IP address, they should notify you first. My trust in ProtonMail is gone.
Worst-case they are not allowed to do this while the investigation is ongoing. As such, it will not happen this way.