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TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

#91
I can't wait for Google to make their own knock-off, do it in 4 different ways, kill them all off, do it another 3 times at the same time, and then kill those off too.

In the meanwhile they'll have permanently degraded some part of their core service offerings chasing this, maybe putting 10 second videos in place of every street view shot in google maps, or making search favor short video content or some nonsense.

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And the state department. Letting that on your phone is allowing your contacts, photos and text messages to be read. Same goes with facebook. But facebook will try to profit off of your data. Tiktok data goes to China. I don't know what they are doing with it..

> But facebook will try to profit off of your data. Tiktok data goes to China. I don't know what they are doing with it.. FB data also goes to the US government. I don't know what they are doing with it..

The US government is monitoring traffic at all major points including undersea cables. The US reasons are complex ranging from terrorism to cyberwar faire to unknown reasons.

One reason China does it to monitor and control their own people. Speaking out against China in the west will often put family in China at risk and any business interests. Monitoring journalist, tracking western movement, cyberwar faire, are all reasons.

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#93

A couple of years ago, I noticed the youtube recommendations that would get were a lot less interesting, though still relevant to me somehow. At some point I started seeing a lot more "mainstream" content, especially after media companies figured out that they needed to have a youtube presence in order to stay relevant. So I wonder if the algorithm the switched to had something to do with them potentially losing atte…

I feel like some AI has decided that this video is "good for you". I have some videos on my feed for weeks on end. Now some videos I have already seen are reappearing without the red bar to signify that I have already watched them. Something definitely stinks with the algo on YT currently. At least for me

Same experience for me the last couple of weeks.

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So? TikTok is just an app, what is point?

The point is that a company that is controlled by an authoritarian regime has a vast influence on the US population.

Then you must have been fine with Trump trying to ban the app then?

> The point is that a company that is controlled by an authoritarian regime

Hard evidence for this claim? Is TikTok Inc, controlled by China?

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#95

A couple of years ago, I noticed the youtube recommendations that would get were a lot less interesting, though still relevant to me somehow. At some point I started seeing a lot more "mainstream" content, especially after media companies figured out that they needed to have a youtube presence in order to stay relevant. So I wonder if the algorithm the switched to had something to do with them potentially losing atte…

Veritasium did a video on this recently [1] where he talks about how YouTube saw falling engagement when only showing users their subscribed channels, so they started recommending more non-subscribed content a couple years ago (he talks about this around the 2-3 minute mark in the video).

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng

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#96

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

There was a man who tried to force TikTok out of the US or out of Chinese control…

Let’s be honest about it: the former president was trying to reward Larry Ellison for his support, that’s all it was and that’s why it didn’t happen.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

#97

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

The depressing reality is that your average person on the street couldn't care less. I've tried bringing it up to friends and family in the least evangelical way I can, and the most common response is that they simply don't care about their privacy; to them the content on the platform is worth dealing with an app that's accused of malicious practices and "so what if some company in China gets my data, I'm not planning on going to China". Talking about things that are well known in the tech industry to people without that background has a nasty habit of making you look like a conspiracy theorist to Johnny Random.

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#98
Seems to be misunderstanding of TikTok and their algorithms. WSJ did an interesting experiment where they programmed a bot to do take interest in certain videos. the tldr is that it spirals till you get more concentrated, extreme in the type of content. i.e they searched for depressing videos and they get more and more depressing.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tiktok-algorithm-video-investig...

Where Facebook has a weakpoint is that the content they server you is rather limited. It's a newsfeed of your friends, your friends friends (maybe) and the groups you've joined. Maybe they'll recommend something for you. But most of the time, it's stuff you've more or less opted into.

TikTok on the other hand - has at its disposal videos made by anyone, at anytime in the history of its app. That's a lot of content. I can be on Facebook and be done scrolling in 15 minutes. Same with Instagram, Twitter. TikTok, because it has essentially an infinite amount of assets it can serve...you're there forever, watching short snippets of videos to get a dopamine hit.

Not comparable to other social media, IMHO...more dangerous, regardless of which country owns it.

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#99

A couple of years ago, I noticed the youtube recommendations that would get were a lot less interesting, though still relevant to me somehow. At some point I started seeing a lot more "mainstream" content, especially after media companies figured out that they needed to have a youtube presence in order to stay relevant. So I wonder if the algorithm the switched to had something to do with them potentially losing atte…

I wish someone at YouTube could explain, but the recommendation algo is nothing like what it used to be. Every refresh would bring a gem, now it's mostly the same videos, often from the same channel if I happened to watch a few in a row... Very odd.

I also feel this way. In the past I was completely satisfied with the recommended content.

I now find it over-calibrates to recommend based on recently watched videos, whether the same channel or the same style.

For example, I watched a video the other day, something like "Boris Johnson pronouncing the word _____". Next thing I know, my recommendations are flooded with similar videos that I don't really want to spend my time on.

This deters me from watching videos that come up that I'm mildly curious in watching, but don't really want to watch more of.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Wow. Thank you. I had no idea about that. I had assumed it would be much, much shorter.

That's very new, though. Even 3 minute videos haven't been around for more than a few months.

Ah I see.

I remember when YouTube had quite a short cap on length years ago (10-15 minutes iirc), which is why I started using vimeo at the time.

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