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Re: Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his IP address

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Post by grappler »

testvox wrote: post #342
ksaj wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be nice if they had a tor presence so there would be no need to traverse an exit node. A lot of other privacy-forward sites do exactly this.

They do https://protonmail.com/tor

Sad to say, Proton's onion service is for their old version. Proton has recently rolled out a new updated version of their service, and as far as I'm aware they don't offer a Tor onion service for that newer version.

So Proton users who like to connect via Tor onion services have been faced with a choice of either staying on the old version of ProtonMail, or giving up on connecting via a Tor onion service. It definitely leaves the impression that they don't care much about Tor anymore, or that it's at best an afterthought for them.

Re: Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his IP address

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Post by erostrate »

newbie789 wrote: post #107

I’m aware that this is a very silly sounding question, but I’m very confused about what’s going on here. If the subject of this investigation had been using ProtonVPN to connect to ProtonMail, would this have (in a marginal way) protected their anonymity? If Proton Mail can be compelled to begin logging, surely the same must be said of Proton VPN right? It’s interesting how many “privacy focused” companies tout being…

"Crypto AG was a Swiss company specialising in communications and information security. It was secretly jointly owned by the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and West German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) from 1970 until about 1993, with CIA continuing as sole owner until about 2018."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG

Re: Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his IP address

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Post by sodality2 »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #349
sodality2 wrote: post #326

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>The scanning of email contents that Gmail does is, from a privacy standpoint, indistinguishable from them simply sending you the email The privacy violation of creating a profile on me based on my mail to tailor ads is not the same thing as simply delivering mail.

That's the price of a free service. It's always been the gmail MO. Do you want to get something for nothing at all?

Yet protonmail doesn't do that at zero cost. I also gladly do pay for email providers.

Re: Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his IP address

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Post by estaseuropano »

bromuro wrote: post #339
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #70

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Has your home in France been squatted? No? Or maybe you do not own a house in France? If so, on which basis do you ironically call squatting a "terrible crime"? Squatters in your house in France means that you you have zero rights on this place until a lengthy process gives it back to you, ruined. You are then expected to be grateful and can forget about any reimbursement from the poor people who stole your property.

Squatting is about occupying uninhabited places. It should be welcomed or at least tolerated.

I Don't know about France but in some places its near impossible to evict squatters, meaning if your property stands empty a month (e.g. waiting for new tenant or repairs) and some squatters move in you are basically screwed for years to come - they won't pay rent, you'll lose thousands and much lifetime evicting them, and for a few years they'll run down your property as they have no legal or other interest in maintaining it, so you are out huge amounts of money.

This can happen to the slumlord (who will then send someone to beat up the squatters), to the big capitalist (who will go through the courts and win) and to smalltime owners where that is maybe their family home or future retirement apartment (who will suffer the most).

Homelessness/lack of housing is a problem, but squatting is in most cases not the right solution.

Re: Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his IP address

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Post by [deleted] »

kazen44 wrote: post #154

for those who are curious, this seems to be the reply from protonmail on reddit[0] >Hi everyone, Proton team here. We are also deeply concerned about this case. In the interest of transparency, here's some more context. In this case, Proton received a legally binding order from the Swiss Federal Department of Justice which we are obligated to comply with. Details about how we handle Swiss law enforcement requests can…

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Re: Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his IP address

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Post by capeterson »

France_is_bacon wrote: post #251

For me, I NEVER expect protection from any governmemnt authorities. They have unlimited resources (compared to a regular person), and you can't fight city hall, as the saying goes. The reason I use tutamota (similar to protonmail) is to stop the Googles and Yahoos and hotmails from scanning all of my emails, using them to advertise to me, selling the information to advertisers. Could you imagine if the US post office…

Double FYI, the USPS does sell personal data when you do a change-of-address:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamtanner/2013/07/08/how-the-p...

Re: Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his IP address

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

sodality2 wrote: post #364
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the price of a free service. It's always been the gmail MO. Do you want to get something for nothing at all?

Yet protonmail doesn't do that at zero cost. I also gladly do pay for email providers.

So one business offers a loss leader and every competitor has to be rebuked for not matching them?

Re: Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his IP address

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Post by sellyme »

sodality2 wrote: post #326
sellyme wrote: post #245

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The scanning of email contents that Gmail does is, from a privacy standpoint, indistinguishable from them simply sending you the email. Their server has to know the contents of that email either way.

>The scanning of email contents that Gmail does is, from a privacy standpoint, indistinguishable from them simply sending you the email The privacy violation of creating a profile on me based on my mail to tailor ads is not the same thing as simply delivering mail.

In both cases exactly the same entities read your email: you, the sender, and Gmail.

I don't see how you could go "yeah, this is a privacy improvement" if your information is still visible to exactly the same entities, but one of them isn't really mentioning it.

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