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Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

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Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

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> Sec. 171.208. CIVIL LIABILITY FOR VIOLATION OR AIDING OR ABETTING VIOLATION. (a) Any person, other than an officer or employee of a state or local governmental entity in this state, may bring a civil action against any person who: (1) performs or induces an abortion in violation of this subchapter; (2) knowingly engages in conduct that aids or abets the performance or inducement of an abortion, including paying for…

This law accomplishes a few things that people are missing: 1. A stark reminder that pro-lifers aren't giving up, and that 48 years of fighting later, they are stronger and getting stronger over time. And that the pro-abortion side should take notice. 2. A law that, even though it will almost inevitably fail, in the eyes of pro-lifers, several dozen children will be saved (due to inability to get abortions) and thus…

5. A trojan horse that uses an emotionally charged issue to cultivate an appetite for "justifiable authoritarianism" and open violation of Constitutional rights.

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

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2. Or it will just cause the women to get abortions elsewhere, or let the kids grow up in homes that can't support them. Not to mention the extra loads of single moms (or dads). No one will be "saved". What it's more likely to accomplish is to make Texas even more republican, and to make the US appear even more crazy to the outside world.

Adoption is an option, and you have no idea who that child could become. Steve Jobs was given up for adoption because abortion wasn’t legal at the time.

Steve Jobs was also the child of Syrian immigrants, so I’m not really sure he’s the person you should be trotting out in situations like these.

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

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> A non-profit sued it's way to SCOTUS a few years ago in defense of frogs. Is a non-profit defending frogs meant to be self-evidently absurd?

For standing to sue? Yes Why would a special interest group be able to sue to protect frogs, but another wouldn't be able to sue to protect unborn babies?

They're going to have some issues bringing frogs in as a party to a lawsuit (those little green bastards can't even sign the appropriate paperwork... lack of opposable thumbs) but there's nothing legally noteworthy about a non-profit group obtaining standing to sue the government about an environmental or ecological issue that is covered under statute, or under the executive branch/EPA's enforcement jurisdiction.

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

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I'd be more supportive of this if it mattered but it doesn't. Worse, a lot of it is probably virtue signaling. Here's what we really need. We need a blue state to pass a law, the substance of which is this: > No person with the state of X shall possess a firearm. Any citizen but no government official may sue anyone who possesses, attempts to purchase, attempts to sell or gifts a firearm to any other person for $10,0…

I get what you’re saying, but (a) the response to terrible laws being passed, isn’t to pass another terrible law, and (b) they don’t care about being hypocrites, like at all. They’ll just make up some garbage post hoc justification that everyone will see through, and continue doing what they want.

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

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2. Or it will just cause the women to get abortions elsewhere, or let the kids grow up in homes that can't support them. Not to mention the extra loads of single moms (or dads). No one will be "saved". What it's more likely to accomplish is to make Texas even more republican, and to make the US appear even more crazy to the outside world.

Adoption is an option, and you have no idea who that child could become. Steve Jobs was given up for adoption because abortion wasn’t legal at the time.

It won't be hard to find serial killers and serial pedophiles that weren't aborted because of abortion not being legal.

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

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> Sec. 171.208. CIVIL LIABILITY FOR VIOLATION OR AIDING OR ABETTING VIOLATION. (a) Any person, other than an officer or employee of a state or local governmental entity in this state, may bring a civil action against any person who: (1) performs or induces an abortion in violation of this subchapter; (2) knowingly engages in conduct that aids or abets the performance or inducement of an abortion, including paying for…

Most of the things you mentioned don't knowingly engage in conduct that aids or abets... Not saying this is a good law, but the line is drawn around people who know...

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

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For standing to sue? Yes Why would a special interest group be able to sue to protect frogs, but another wouldn't be able to sue to protect unborn babies?

They're going to have some issues bringing frogs in as a party to a lawsuit (those little green bastards can't even sign the appropriate paperwork... lack of opposable thumbs) but there's nothing legally noteworthy about a non-profit group obtaining standing to sue the government about an environmental or ecological issue that is covered under statute, or under the executive branch/EPA's enforcement jurisdiction.

>that is covered under statute,

And this Texas law gives statutory standing.

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

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> Sec. 171.208. CIVIL LIABILITY FOR VIOLATION OR AIDING OR ABETTING VIOLATION. (a) Any person, other than an officer or employee of a state or local governmental entity in this state, may bring a civil action against any person who: (1) performs or induces an abortion in violation of this subchapter; (2) knowingly engages in conduct that aids or abets the performance or inducement of an abortion, including paying for…

Lawyers exist to distinguish logic from bullshit, and the bullshit is binding.

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

#119
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I'm curious, though, can an Uber driver be sued if they happen to take a passenger to a school and the passenger commits a mass shooting? How would the driver even know the women is pregnant or going to get an abortion? It's not like there are clinics that ONLY do abortions.

> How would the driver even know the women is pregnant or going to get an abortion? It's not like there are clinics that ONLY do abortions. Ah, but that's the point. Any clinic that even thinks of performing an abortion will become a social pariah out of fear of repercussions.

See: people protesting around Planned Parenthood places.

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

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This seems ridiculous, to the point that I feel like I'm missing something. Does that mean that multiple people can sue a single person? If the person proves that there was no abortion, who covers the legal fees? Would it be possible to bait people into suing, get expensive lawyers and then provide proof that there was no abortion?

> Does that mean that multiple people can sue a single person? Yes, the bill enables thousands of suits to be filed, even if frivolous, against abortion providers. > If the person proves that there was no abortion, who covers the legal fees? The bill explicitly covers the fees of the person bringing the suit, but provides no means for the person being sued to recover legal costs. The combination of these two facts me…

If I were living in Texas and looking for ways to combat this law, I'd look into launching some sort of DDOS on its proponents by suing as many of them as frequently as possible on frivolous grounds, like if they took a teenage child to school in a neighbourhood where there is also an abortion clinic within 2 hours of walking.

Fortunately, I don't live anywhere near Texas...

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