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Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

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Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

#91

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> i'm kind of puzzled by that extension of legal standing to everybody It designed to maximize the legal threat surface for anyone connected to abortion while immunizing the law against the pre-enforcement review it would have been subject to had it been state-enforced. It’s a study in how to design a law for maximum chilling effect when you know you have an ideologically supportive Supreme Court but one with enough…

A non-profit sued it's way to SCOTUS a few years ago in defense of frogs. Absurd arguments both for and against standing are hardly new, and most don't have statutory authority behind them.

> Absurd arguments both for and against standing are hardly new

Narrowly crafting laws to avoid pre-enforcement review specifically to maximize the impact knowing that they will almost certainly be struck down as unconstitutional is, on the other hand, unusual, if perhaps not completely new (something similar may have been done before, but I am not aware of any examples.)

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

#92

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> i'm kind of puzzled by that extension of legal standing to everybody It designed to maximize the legal threat surface for anyone connected to abortion while immunizing the law against the pre-enforcement review it would have been subject to had it been state-enforced. It’s a study in how to design a law for maximum chilling effect when you know you have an ideologically supportive Supreme Court but one with enough…

A non-profit sued it's way to SCOTUS a few years ago in defense of frogs. Absurd arguments both for and against standing are hardly new, and most don't have statutory authority behind them.

> A non-profit sued it's way to SCOTUS a few years ago in defense of frogs.

Is a non-profit defending frogs meant to be self-evidently absurd?

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

#94
I'd be more supportive of this if it mattered but it doesn't. Worse, a lot of it is probably virtue signaling.

Here's what we really need. We need a blue state to pass a law, the substance of which is this:

> No person with the state of X shall possess a firearm. Any citizen but no government official may sue anyone who possesses, attempts to purchase, attempts to sell or gifts a firearm to any other person for $10,000. They may also sue anyone aiding any such person. No court shall award costs where the case is decided for the defendant.

You get the idea.

Then let's see how supportive conservatives and the Supreme Court are of the idea that this isn't an end run against constitutionality.

The most disturbing thing to me is that such a novel law wasn't stayed pending full judicial review. It really exposes what a self-serving hypocrisy "constitutional textualism" really is.

As for companies, any action less than leaving the state entirely I will view as empty posturing.

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

#95

Good. I live here and can't leave fast enough. This state is a mess.

I wonder if that's a partial goal of this law. Keep the state red and have those who are more liberal leave. Ensures a nice voting block for national elections and ensures local officials do not get voted out in the future.

I’m life long Texan and Yes that is one purpose. It’s excessively conservative to keep hold of the state. But also a reminder that our GOP state politicians are horrible Trump humpers and morally corrupt while believing they are righteous by enacting these laws. They are the worst people but unfortunately this is the reality of Texas. It’s like pockets of high diversity and rational thinkers surrounded by hoards of wackos.

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

#96

> Sec. 171.208. CIVIL LIABILITY FOR VIOLATION OR AIDING OR ABETTING VIOLATION. (a) Any person, other than an officer or employee of a state or local governmental entity in this state, may bring a civil action against any person who: (1) performs or induces an abortion in violation of this subchapter; (2) knowingly engages in conduct that aids or abets the performance or inducement of an abortion, including paying for…

This law accomplishes a few things that people are missing: 1. A stark reminder that pro-lifers aren't giving up, and that 48 years of fighting later, they are stronger and getting stronger over time. And that the pro-abortion side should take notice. 2. A law that, even though it will almost inevitably fail, in the eyes of pro-lifers, several dozen children will be saved (due to inability to get abortions) and thus…

Actually, its closer to 40% of republicans are women, and dropping. The anti-abortion stance of the party is probably one reason for this decline.

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A non-profit sued it's way to SCOTUS a few years ago in defense of frogs. Absurd arguments both for and against standing are hardly new, and most don't have statutory authority behind them.

> Absurd arguments both for and against standing are hardly new Narrowly crafting laws to avoid pre-enforcement review specifically to maximize the impact knowing that they will almost certainly be struck down as unconstitutional is , on the other hand, unusual, if perhaps not completely new (something similar may have been done before, but I am not aware of any examples.)

There's a federal law giving people the right to sue fax spammers- statutory damages of ~$500 per fax, specifically to get around freedom of speech. I think it was in the 1996 telecom law.

Not sure if it's been litigated.

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

#98
post #93

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I am pro-abortion.

The more abortions the better?

I believe that there are many people not getting abortions who would benefit significantly from getting abortions, so in that sense I can see more abortions as a positive thing.

Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

#99
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Probably a good idea not to threaten to take guns away from Texans, if you want to hold public office in Texas. - A former Texan

Most of my family lives in Texas. They're appalled by this law. But yeah, don't go anywhere near their guns. They've literally called the cops on each other over their guns. They have assault rifles by their beds and vaults full of Zombie Apocalypse ammunition and they didn't think the sketch below was remotely funny... https://youtu.be/QHqB2t-DGb8

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Re: Lyft, Uber lash out at legal threat from strict Texas abortion law

#100

> Sec. 171.208. CIVIL LIABILITY FOR VIOLATION OR AIDING OR ABETTING VIOLATION. (a) Any person, other than an officer or employee of a state or local governmental entity in this state, may bring a civil action against any person who: (1) performs or induces an abortion in violation of this subchapter; (2) knowingly engages in conduct that aids or abets the performance or inducement of an abortion, including paying for…

This law accomplishes a few things that people are missing: 1. A stark reminder that pro-lifers aren't giving up, and that 48 years of fighting later, they are stronger and getting stronger over time. And that the pro-abortion side should take notice. 2. A law that, even though it will almost inevitably fail, in the eyes of pro-lifers, several dozen children will be saved (due to inability to get abortions) and thus…

> several dozen children will be saved (due to inability to get abortions)

Believing something doesn't actually make it true. Mother Nature is unaffected by your conceits, even if a crowd of thousands are cheering you on, certain you can fly, your attempt to soar from the roof of the building up into the sky will result in falling to your death 'cos she doesn't give a shit.

They aren't "saving children" by forcing these pregnancies to go ahead except in the same sense they'd be "saving chickens" by enforcing more intensive factory farming techniques like debeaking and cages (also legal in Texas).

It seems to me that under the usual framework in which lawsuits are able to go ahead unburdened by judicial preflight the consequence of these lawsuits when the whole framework is found to be unconstitutional is that those who sued, and perhaps those who sponsored the bill, eat the costs of those defending the suits, such as ongoing child maintenance burden from anyone who can show they were either sued or the threat of suit caused them to go through with a pregnancy that would otherwise have been aborted.

That is, I would assume that "pro-life" groups in Texas and those who support them should expect to be paying for baby food, diapers, kid's clothes, school supplies and eventually college for at least dozens and maybe thousands of children over the expected 12-18 month life of this bill.

In the medium term, we've seen in countries where abortion is outlawed, the nature of modern technology is that the real consequences of that hit home very directly. Rich women of course "go on a trip" to have their abortion safely somewhere with legal abortion, but everybody else is obliged to take matters into their own hands, with too often deadly results.

Consider the Republic of Ireland. Its people were given a free vote on the matter and decided to amend their constitution to provide abortion, mostly in the first trimester although also in some other cases. Of course the US doesn't have a working mechanism to fix its constitution. Too bad, get one or get a fresh system of government and start from scratch.

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