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Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by m0zg »

dragonwriter wrote: post #317
m0zg wrote: post #269

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The founder of Brave was canceled by the left for his religious opposition to calling gay unions "marriage". FWIW, I voted to call it that in my state, but I have no problem with someone holding a different opinion. That's sorta how democracy works. People get to have different opinions and then duke it out by voting. The authoritarian left can't have that, you must prostrate yourself before the one true dogma comple…

> The founder of Brave was canceled by the left for his religious opposition to calling gay unions “marriage”. Insofar as he was opposed by “the Left”, it was for his political actions in opposition to equal rights. The religious basis of that action was probably important to Eich, but it was immaterial to the opposition. > FWIW, I voted to call it that in my state, but I have no problem with someone holding a differ…

This kind of thinking can go quite far if taken to its logical conclusion. The question therefore is, do _you_ want to live in a world where everyone is fighting everyone else over the most irrelevant of actions or even wrongthink? I know I don't.

I much prefer to be persuaded to vote for or against something than have to state my opinions under the barrel of a proverbial gun. After a free and fair election, I accept the results and move on, even if things do not go my way. Seems more civilized and less painful than all known alternatives.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by Cipater »

dessant wrote: post #19

Looking forward to a Google employee lecturing us about how users don't care about these details and how people don't want granular control over site data.

You don't need Google employees for that. Majority of the comments on this post are people telling others that if they care they can use developer tools to find the functionality so they should shut up about this change.

And so it goes....

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by dragonwriter »

m0zg wrote: post #321
dragonwriter wrote: post #317

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> The founder of Brave was canceled by the left for his religious opposition to calling gay unions “marriage”. Insofar as he was opposed by “the Left”, it was for his political actions in opposition to equal rights. The religious basis of that action was probably important to Eich, but it was immaterial to the opposition. > FWIW, I voted to call it that in my state, but I have no problem with someone holding a differ…

This kind of thinking can go quite far if taken to its logical conclusion. The question therefore is, do _you_ want to live in a world where everyone is fighting everyone else over the most irrelevant of actions or even wrongthink? I know I don't. I much prefer to be persuaded to vote for or against something than have to state my opinions under the barrel of a proverbial gun. After a free and fair election, I accept…

> This kind of thinking can go quite far if taken to its logical conclusion

The logical conclusion of it being permitted is...that it will be done when the utility of the impact it is perceived as likely to have outweighs the perceived disutility of the protest action, including any beneficial exchange foregone. Which is, all in all, not very much, which matches pretty well with observed behavior.

> After a free and fair election, I accept the results and move on, even if things do not go my way

Well, when there is a free and fair election to strip you of fundamental liberties, and you lose, try to keep that attitude in mind.

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Post by Closi »

m0zg wrote: post #304
Closi wrote: post #303

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I've just tried brave search and it does seem to be a good product actually - my only concern with all these providers is what is the monetisation strategy will be (Brave has called out ads, but it's not in their product at the moment). Looking at Brave's monetisation strategy for their browser it seems pretty shady (effectively steal the revenue from site owners for referral links and replace the websites ads with t…

So would I. I'd gladly and voluntarily pay, say, $10/mo for a family subscription, paid with crypto. I'm not sure why they aren't offering that.

Yeah, I don't see what the downside is either.

For companies - It doesn't sound too hard to implement and seems like it would be a good source of revenue. Plus paying subscribers will be more 'loyal' in terms of moving their searches across.

For users - you get more of a guarantee that the companies statements about privacy and impartiality are true, because there is less incentive for them to break that.

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Post by nichos »

melbourne_mat wrote: post #132
mark_l_watson wrote: post #120

A bit off topic, but I frequently just delete all cookies on all browsers on my devices. Since I just use Safari on iOS/iPadOS/macOS and Chrome on Linux, this is such a quick thing to do. I also try to make using a private browser tab or page as my normal way to do web browsing.

Agreed. Duck Duck browser on Android has a very prominent "burn" button next to the URL bar which deletes everything. It's great!

Same with Firefox focus on Android. Has a trash can ready to reset the browser.

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Post by nichos »

coldacid wrote: post #96
booi wrote: post #37

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It’s more and more obvious we need competition in the browser space. Firefox as an excellent and performant alternative. Personally I use Chrome for work and Firefox for personal stuff.

Firefox, and the Mozilla organization itself, has its own fair share of issues. I really wish more people would look at and help develop NetSurf[0] or other lightweight browsers with their own layout engines More importantly, I wish that regular users would stop going with the 900 pound Chromium/Blink gorilla, and instead use a greater variety of browsers/engines. This browser monoculture is just pure death. [0]: htt…

It will need Windows support to gain any real traction.

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Post by tombrossman »

happymellon wrote: post #311
commoner wrote: post #225

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Alternatively, Profile Switcher for Firefox provides a Chrome-like interface: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/profile-switc...

I couldn't tell from the link, but does it let me run two profiles side by side? This is the only thing that makes FF awkward for me when not using a Mac.

You can bookmark about:profiles and click "Launch profile in new browser" under each profile to open it in a new Firefox window.

If you are using GNOME desktop you can also try this to integrate the profiles into the launcher. I wrote it when still using Ubuntu but I'm on Fedora now and it's the exact same steps: https://www.tombrossman.com/blog/2020/launch-firefox-profile...

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Post by lmm »

hutzlibu wrote: post #318
petre wrote: post #261

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2. JSON.stringify(object)

But isn't the point that you want to detect what the foreign code does? So your solution would require inject your code into the code that wants to hide from you ... ?

I think the idea is you patch the console to display the objects without calling their toString methods.

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Post by nomoreplease »

tehwebguy wrote: post #3

> By the way, before anyone runs off and yells "Switch to Safari" or something like that, keep in mind that Safari is actually in a worse state and doesn't have detailed cookie and site information at all. It does, but it's split between two places. You can see a list of all sites that have stored data in Preferences > Privacy > Manage Website Data... (no option to view here, just delete). You can also navigate to th…

Use Firefox?

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Post by joombaga »

hutzlibu wrote: post #207
duskwuff wrote: post #158

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The two big ones are: 1. Watching window.innerHeight/innerWidth for sudden, large decreases, indicating that the user just opened the inspector. 2. Logging objects to the console with toString methods and checking if that method gets called.

1. should be trivial to avoid, by opening dev tools in a new window but 2. I have no idea, except the browser vendors would add a "stealth dev mode"

For 2 my first thought is the opposite. Fire the detected method even if devtools isn't opened.
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