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How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Alternative explanation: there have always been as many transgender kids, but they hid it because they knew they'd get bullied by everyone, including their own parents.

If social stigma is no longer an issue, why aren't we seeing transitioning across the entire adult population in equal proportion, and not primarily in children?

We do? I've seen more adult trans people come out in the past year than the entire decade of 2000-2010.

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Alternative explanation: there have always been as many transgender kids, but they hid it because they knew they'd get bullied by everyone, including their own parents.

However there are things appearing such as clustering of cases (for want of a better word) amoung groups of friends. Times did a piece on it a few years back can't find it. Anyway that would suggest that prevalence stats might muddied somewhat.

I'm guessing there are three effects there:

• People with shared experiences often cluster together in friend groups. (There are autistic friend groups, yet you'd get laughed out of the village for saying “Sally caught autism off her friends”.)

• People tend to come out around people it's safe to come out around.

• Seeing your friends coming out as [whatever] might make you properly consider whether you might also like guys, or Minecraft, or not being a woman.

And they're the same effects in anyone with a socially-frowned-upon interest. Think of the tabletop-RPG-playing “nerds” of yore.

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But that's not the whole story. Kids are also very malleable, open to peer pressure and easily assume identities that earn them acceptance by their peers.

While this is technically true I think one should be careful to insinuate that this is an underlying cause. I don't think most people would say the same about homosexuality for example. It's just a more elaborate way of saying "it's a phase".

Saying it's cultural influence doesn't mean it's just a phase. I'm sure most people have life long personality traits that came from cultural influences.

Moreover, even if being gay or trans is just the result of cultural influence doesn't mean we should respect it any less. That said, it's worth asking the question isn't it?

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The way American values have spread all around the world and started supplanting the native values is upsetting. Everything from commercialism and employment to attitudes towards nakedness and violence.

America is number 1, baybeeee

https://youtu.be/4fTkA3dvpPM?t=1m35s

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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I noticed that when I click the thumbs-up emoji in Slack, I now have to select its skin color. That's fucking dystopian.

It is interesting. On the one hand, I can see how the previous model could be sightly alienating to anyone who's skin color doesn't obviously map to "Simpsons Yellow". However, whether people pay attention to it or not, the new interface quantifies approval in a way which can be segmented by skin color, which seems kind of odd.

Yeah. I think it’s weird to be constantly reminded of my colleagues’ skin color while reading Slack.

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Labelling people based on sexuality, gender identity, race, religion is just… arbitrary. Why not label people based on their IQ? If I knew people’s IQ I would simply ignore everyone below mine and only talk to my peers. “Hello, I’m John. I’m IQ140” “Hi John, I’m Mohammed, I’m IQ145” Instatnt friendship. “Hello John, I’m Peter, IQ90.” “bye Peter” I think sorting and discriminating on IQ is the only way to build some f…

>>>I think sorting and discriminating on IQ is the only way to build some form of cohesive society. IQ, and for other men, testosterone levels. John / IQ140 / 300ng/dl: Peter / IQ90 / 300ng/dl: Tyrone / IQ105 / 1100ng/dl: <--- Take detailed notes when he explains how to get Instagram models to pay you, after seducing them in a grocery store. Disregard his opinion on global military strategy.

a) IQ is disputed

b) what? srs?

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More weird is that Merican Wokeness is replacing *ness in other countries. Finnish has only one personal pronoun for all sexes, but Woke Finns add American Pronouns to their twitter pages.

Yes. The fact this craziness is actually encouraged by Finnish state media as something normal nowadays is seriously starting to destroy my will to live in this country. Idiots are copying everything that's wrong with America here.

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This probably isn’t the argument you think it is. Many reactionaries seem have a romanticized view of Russian culture and probably would be fine there.

No, actually they have no idea how Eastern European cultures are, less Russia. They would stick out like a sore thumb, they would be shunned, treated with distance for being foreigners. Being 'christian' wouldnt do literally sh*t. The only places where they would be getting treated normally would be ironically places with more woke Russians - ie Russian liberals, educated, woke people. Who would not shun others for b…

As an Eastern European I have friends and coworkers who are educated(PhDs even), but at the same time highly conservative, xenophobic and against wokeness in general.

Some of them even lived and worked abroad, but of course learned nothing from that experience.

Conservative foreigners would feel right at home with this crowd, but they might be surprised how liberal they are comparing to the locals.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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It's just a shift from older, less flexible values like family, church etc to the more open minded approach, "do as you like". Nothing wrong with people having tattoos everywhere, green or violet hair, non conformist clothing and views. Let them be, let them express and find themselves. I am the shave every day suit kinda guy and will remain so, but if someone chooses to be different or wants to complain about new wo…

Some, even most, of the goals of that movement are commendable, with the exception of the more idealistic goals such as equality of outcome. What I find worrying, however, are the tactics that are used to accomplish those goals. I find it hard to understand how people do not see how discriminating against other people because of their views is not the right approach to solve discrimination.

The tactics were probably forged in the underground while it was not wise to speak openly about it, always with the law or society breathing down their necks, so I am not surprised the tactics aren't the cleanest or most innocent. Once this gets enough traction, it might get plenty of followers. If my kid would come home with half green, half pink hair, we would have to sit down and find the origin for that, I would not be very amused. But same applies if my kids would bully other kids for any reason.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Modern "wokeness" and so called social justice is just another way of tricking ordinary people away from the one issue that matters - wealth distribution. It's much better for the 1% to have wage slaves fighting each other about things like race, gender and culture.

Modern political left in Western world is a disgrace to everything that socialism originally stood for.

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