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Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by xemdetia »

SquareWheel wrote: post #184
IIsi50MHz wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: I've many times had to fix presentation of or access to a site by purging just specific cookies. Two sites that have previously had these problems are RingCentral's web interface and AutoTask. Maybe a dozen or more others, but admittedly not many…however, when I've needed it, the problem has been persistent, requiring multiple fixes per day, over a few consecutive days or or even a couple weeks.

Needing to delete specific cookies does arise occasionally, and we have dev tools or the cookie viewer under the lock for that. However, needing to delete those cookies without first viewing the page due to side effects - that is a very niche use case.

Is it? I feel like most of my atrocious cookie hand fix cases end up being broken redirects where you get redirected to some new url that errors, so loading the page doesn't help to get rid of the offending cookie.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by kmonsen »

gsich wrote: post #6
tehwebguy wrote: post #3

> By the way, before anyone runs off and yells "Switch to Safari" or something like that, keep in mind that Safari is actually in a worse state and doesn't have detailed cookie and site information at all. It does, but it's split between two places. You can see a list of all sites that have stored data in Preferences > Privacy > Manage Website Data... (no option to view here, just delete). You can also navigate to th…

Why Safari? The only sane choice is Firefox.

Vivaldi? I certainty trust the people behind that one.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by etc-hosts »

m0zg wrote: post #169
brnt wrote: post #147

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By default it doesnt, and although I'd certainly advise going over all Brave's settings once, then you have the safest (as in not outdated like some other privacy forks) and privacy respecting Chrome based browser around.

They also run the only decent, independent search engine that has _its own_, _uncensored_ index. DDG was perceptibly worse than Google, but Brave Search is about on par, and the latency seems to be better as well. I maybe have to go to Google once or twice a month now instead of several times a day DDG would require. I know a bit about Google search, and frankly I'm stunned by what Brave was able to pull off here. I'…

> I'm actually not against Firefox either, but they refuse to implement a profile switcher

https://davemartorana.com/multifirefox/

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

nett18 wrote: post #133
BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #72

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If they're a non-developer, the ability to clear all of the cookies (or data) for a given site should be adequate to cover their needs (and if they're a developer, obviously they'll just use Developer Tools > Application for individual cookie manipulation). If a non-developer is in a situation where they need to delete a single cookie by name but deleting _all_ of that site's cookies would be ruinous for some reason,…

Read the parent answer, it explains when deleting individual cookies is useful (even for non-devs)

Not really? Cookie names/values are usually inscrutable to anyone who hasn't worked on the site in question, and the idea that a non-developer would need to selectively delete individual cookies to work around a bug in a site is just silly (those users are much better served by simply clearing all of that site's cookies and logging in again).

(And when the need truly does arise, there's a perfectly-good tool for that which is no harder to find than the sub-menu being deprecated.)

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by kiliancs »

a3n wrote: post #155
tehwebguy wrote: post #3

> By the way, before anyone runs off and yells "Switch to Safari" or something like that, keep in mind that Safari is actually in a worse state and doesn't have detailed cookie and site information at all. It does, but it's split between two places. You can see a list of all sites that have stored data in Preferences > Privacy > Manage Website Data... (no option to view here, just delete). You can also navigate to th…

What a weird design. Listing and viewing would often be done when you want to "clean things up, but not everything. Disclosure: never used or saw safari, and i don't have a mac, nor the mac nature.

What is the mac nature?

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by ByteJockey »

nobody9999 wrote: post #84
beerandt wrote: post #21

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Tired of this excuse. If the audience is the product, Google still has an interest in selling a quality product. That means not running off more and more of the most tech savvy "product" segment.

>If the audience is the product, Google still has an interest in selling a quality product. That means not running off more and more of the most tech savvy "product" segment. I'd say there's an argument to be made for pushing out the tech savvy from using Chrome. Compared to the total user base, those folks are a tiny minority who often cause problems by complaining about privacy invasions and develop/use privacy foc…

Except that tiny minority includes nearly all developers, the people that make things to put ads on.

To extend your analogy, it's not Anheuser-Busch pissing off the brewers. It's Anheuser-Bush pissing off all the hops farmers.

Google's in the same position Microsoft was in the 00s. They don't make most of the stuff people actually want to use. You piss off the people making the stuff, eventually they start making stuff elsewhere.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by hutzlibu »

duskwuff wrote: post #158
sroussey wrote: post #129

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Way back when, we thought about this for Firebug. One thing that came out of it was browsers started adding the console object (also because devs forgot to remove the calls on it). Even so, we added CSS and stuff to highlight elements and that was easily found. What do people look for today?

The two big ones are: 1. Watching window.innerHeight/innerWidth for sudden, large decreases, indicating that the user just opened the inspector. 2. Logging objects to the console with toString methods and checking if that method gets called.

1. should be trivial to avoid, by opening dev tools in a new window

but 2. I have no idea, except the browser vendors would add a "stealth dev mode"

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

jychang wrote: post #188
BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #107

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The hyperbole in this thread is insane. I would wager that none of the furious "this is pure evil!" commenters in this thread even knew this particular settings page existed before today (and I'd bet they still don't know the information is already exposed in the URL bar). Nobody who isn't a web developer is out there trying to guess what individual cookie names/values mean or wants to delete individual ones. At most…

Deleting cookies for a group of sites is essential, though, and they're removing that. Think facebook.com, fbcdn.net, etc. I end up having to delete cookies for Cars.com every other week, because sometimes the search function would corrupt something and every page would return a blank white screen.

No they're not. That feature exists on chrome://settings/content/all, which the article states they're keeping (as it's preferred over the separate menu being removed).

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Post by propogandist »

nicce wrote: post #180
travoc wrote: post #60

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No, my household has shifted everything to Brave or Safari with AdGuard.

Brave is also developed by yet another ad based company, and is also Chromium based. I’m not so sure if grass is greener on this site, as the money always decides in the end.

It's an operation that still need their bills paid. It's created and run by the guy that created firefox and javascript, I'd rather trust him than a publicly traded advertising company that generates 80% of its revenue by harvesting user data and influencing search results.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by nobody9999 »

ByteJockey wrote: post #206
nobody9999 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If the audience is the product, Google still has an interest in selling a quality product. That means not running off more and more of the most tech savvy "product" segment. I'd say there's an argument to be made for pushing out the tech savvy from using Chrome. Compared to the total user base, those folks are a tiny minority who often cause problems by complaining about privacy invasions and develop/use privacy foc…

Except that tiny minority includes nearly all developers, the people that make things to put ads on. To extend your analogy, it's not Anheuser-Busch pissing off the brewers. It's Anheuser-Bush pissing off all the hops farmers. Google's in the same position Microsoft was in the 00s. They don't make most of the stuff people actually want to use. You piss off the people making the stuff, eventually they start making stu…

>Google's in the same position Microsoft was in the 00s. They don't make most of the stuff people actually want to use. You piss off the people making the stuff, eventually they start making stuff elsewhere.

I hope you're correct about that. That said, I won't hold my breath.

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