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Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by rex-mundi »

devwastaken wrote: post #71

We also have to stop shaming information, and the people who want to discuss it. In many places, especially on the net, You have to say "the vaccine is completely safe all the time", not "the vaccine is overwhelmingly safe and effective, some may be at risk of life threatening blood clots, and vaccination does not entirely prevent infection, nor does it guarantee significant protection from future mutations which are…

And all the down votes prove you right!

It would be nice if people could talk about this situation in measured calm ways and actually treat reasonable statements as such

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by me_me_me »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #87
totetsu wrote: post #81

As soon as laugh at someone's death, and make judgements on if they deserved it or not, we devalue Human life. That can't be a net positive. No matter what we think of their behavior. .. once your laughing at death, where is the philosophical barrier between that and seeing disabled people as useless eaters? The reason people are dieing is at least partially because of complete lack of leaders action to fund pandemic…

I've been saving my ire for business, media, and political leaders pushing denialism for ideological and crass personal/political reasons. The hapless people that believed them and died as a result are their victims. The doctors and nurse that had to deal with that are victims as are the family left behind. On the other hand you have a huge contingent of people in the US who pride themselves on being basically ungove…

> The hapless people that believed them and died as a result are their victims.

At what point you are gullible person, and when do you turn into willing culprit?

> The doctors and nurse that had to deal with that are victims as are the family left behind.

Now they are the real victims and heroes, risking death for someone who willingly put themselves in danger due to their views.

Also laughing at people who died is pointless, they are dead and they don't care for mockery. But I sure target the griefing families that might or might not had hand in antivax movement.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by drcongo »

dundarious wrote: post #80

Ironic reversals are funny. e.g., Looney Tunes. Comparisons with other kinds of deaths that have an ironic reversal component are often comparing far milder scenarios. For the vaccines scenario, to use a phrase from the Monster Factory video series, there are “no middle sliders”. It’s a free option to not die. If your cultural/political milieu or personal philosophy leads you to not take that free option, it’s at lea…

There's a reason that "List of inventors killed by their own inventions" is such a popular page on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventors_killed_by_th...

Re: Stop Death Shaming

#94

Post by readflaggedcomm »

tomohawk wrote: post #19

It's amazing how years of anti-vax nonsense went nowhere. But, in a few months, all of this shaming and politicizing have done so much damage. Public health rests on trust, not mocking, not shaming, not coercion.

And trust is what the vaccines lack. Kamala Harris made that point clearly when she refused it because Trump promoted it.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by HKH2 »

actually_a_dog wrote: post #85
HKH2 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe there's no coercion where you live, but where I live some people who are unvaccinated get a fine in a form of a forced test every two weeks that they have to pay for, no matter how risk-averse they are. A vaccinated socialite is far more of a problem than an unvaccinated loner.

Those are called "consequences." You make your choice, you are responsible for it, both the unvaccinated and the "vaccinated socialite" you want to demonize. Do you think you, or the "vaccinated socialite" should be able to opt out of your responsibility to participate in a common sense public health measure without consequences?

I wasn't demonizing anyone. Vaccination is simply not as effective as people would have you believe.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by actually_a_dog »

HKH2 wrote: post #95
actually_a_dog wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are called "consequences." You make your choice, you are responsible for it, both the unvaccinated and the "vaccinated socialite" you want to demonize. Do you think you, or the "vaccinated socialite" should be able to opt out of your responsibility to participate in a common sense public health measure without consequences?

I wasn't demonizing anyone. Vaccination is simply not as effective as people would have you believe.

So, every study out there is wrong?

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by WalterSear »

beaconstudios wrote: post #67
WalterSear wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, this place is more toxic. Sure, there is a much stronger social policing of personal attacks and sophomoric comments, but within those bounds, some people appear to feel freer to make genuinely cutting comments and express vitriolic opinions.

they're the same place (literally, same demographics and that), HN just pushes people to be passive-aggressive instead of regular aggressive because of the rules on tone, even though the spirit of the rules is to be inquisitive rather than abrasive.

I disagree. 14% of the US use reddit++. It's possible, and IMHO, likely that most HN users are reddit users. It's definitely not the case that most reddit users are HN users. t In my utterly subjective opinion, the users of HN are generally older, and almost certainly more STEM oriented than their reddit counterparts. Both their age and their experience might explain why they are more skilled at eviscerating a commenter while staying within the letter of HN social norms and moderation.

Moreover, and I reiterate, IMHSO, the more toxic users on HN tend to be primarily reactionary in political persuasion, whereas, reddit has a much more wider political varieties of jackass. Perhaps this is a result of there not being subHN forums to where people would self-segregate.

++ https://www.oberlo.com/blog/reddit-statistics

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by dang »

actually_a_dog wrote: post #96
HKH2 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't demonizing anyone. Vaccination is simply not as effective as people would have you believe.

So, every study out there is wrong?

Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and please stop using HN for flamewar? We ban such accounts because we're trying for a different sort of site here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by actually_a_dog »

dang wrote: post #98
actually_a_dog wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, every study out there is wrong?

Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and please stop using HN for flamewar? We ban such accounts because we're trying for a different sort of site here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I'll consider myself warned and be more careful in the future, but it was certainly not my intention to flame here. All of my comments on HN have been offered in good faith, including the ones in this thread. The GP comment in particular was genuinely looking for clarification, because I had no idea what the poster I was replying to was claiming.

Thank you for taking your time to point this out to me.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by Ternari »

ehPReth wrote: post #5
eventreduce wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people do not "deserve" bed space because most sickness is selfmade. People smoke, drink and eat too much, so they all deserve to die?

I do at least! But.. no one will kill me :(

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