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Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by SquishyPanda23 »

flaque wrote: post #27

It’s worth noting that, even if you think shaming encourages people to get vaccinated, these stories are still bad because they are almost never seen by the people who you’re trying to shame. Unvaccinated people don’t like and share stories about unvaccinated people having a tube shoved down their throat and then dying alone in a hospital. The more outrageous the irony, the less it actually appeals to someone who has…

None of the reasons you listed are reasonable reasons for people to not get vaccinated.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by InvaderFizz »

ogogmad wrote: post #11
savanaly wrote: post #8

I'm always aghast when I go on social media or Reddit and see all the things people say about the unvaccinated dead. I can scarcely believe that the folks that post those things are nominally on the same side as me on most issues of substance. I get past it by telling myself that there are always tons of bots and shills in the pay of all manner of nation states and organizations trolling those exact places posting wh…

The "Darwin Awards" once had an unnerving degree of pop culture acceptance. [edit] They might still.

IIRC, Darwin Awards were always targeted at singular instances of actions that could be charitably described as unwise.

What is happening today is just the use of anything for the advancement of tribal signaling and catharsis derived from the suffering of the "other."

It exists on every side, acceptability of these behaviors depends largely on in-group vs out-group status of the perpetrator.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by WalterSear »

beaconstudios wrote: post #28
crazy_horse wrote: post #20

Reddit has a subreddit dedicated to this. I understand the justifications and the frustration, but so much of that is people being hateful. I've seen everything from race, hair style, weight, religion, etc mocked because the people deserve it. I think it's the most toxic part of humanity. I hope reddit closes hateful subs like this. Here is a similar article about that sub. https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/herman-…

not surprising to be honest, reddit is a pretty vitriolic place.

IMHO, this place is more toxic.

Sure, there is a much stronger social policing of personal attacks and sophomoric comments, but within those bounds, some people appear to feel freer to make genuinely cutting comments and express vitriolic opinions.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by siod »

People are angry. They see vaccine refusers as prolonging the pandemic and putting their loved ones/everyone at risk for nothing.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by vernie »

crazy_horse wrote: post #20

Reddit has a subreddit dedicated to this. I understand the justifications and the frustration, but so much of that is people being hateful. I've seen everything from race, hair style, weight, religion, etc mocked because the people deserve it. I think it's the most toxic part of humanity. I hope reddit closes hateful subs like this. Here is a similar article about that sub. https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/herman-…

It's funny when taken in moderation, but the seemingly endless stream of nearly-identical posts is depressingly monotonous.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by jays »

flaque wrote: post #27

It’s worth noting that, even if you think shaming encourages people to get vaccinated, these stories are still bad because they are almost never seen by the people who you’re trying to shame. Unvaccinated people don’t like and share stories about unvaccinated people having a tube shoved down their throat and then dying alone in a hospital. The more outrageous the irony, the less it actually appeals to someone who has…

That's the must well spoken summary of this issue I've seen to date.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by minitech »

tomohawk wrote: post #19

It's amazing how years of anti-vax nonsense went nowhere. But, in a few months, all of this shaming and politicizing have done so much damage. Public health rests on trust, not mocking, not shaming, not coercion.

> It's amazing how years of anti-vax nonsense went nowhere.

“Nowhere”? It’s gotten so bad that there are measles outbreaks now.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by Spellman »

flaque wrote: post #27

It’s worth noting that, even if you think shaming encourages people to get vaccinated, these stories are still bad because they are almost never seen by the people who you’re trying to shame. Unvaccinated people don’t like and share stories about unvaccinated people having a tube shoved down their throat and then dying alone in a hospital. The more outrageous the irony, the less it actually appeals to someone who has…

I'm not so sure.

All of my friends who aren't getting the vaccine and vocal about it are pushing some pretty out there reasons. It may have started from relatively reasonable reasons, but it has morphed into an especially vitrolic ideology and in-group signaling rather quickly.

Also, a lot of polls show there is a sticky group of people who will never get it and that population hasn't changed much over time. So at this point there's not much you can move the needle on them via facts and all that.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't stop trying.

Highly recommend the You Are Not So Smart podcast on how to have beneficial discussions with anti-vax individuals. One key is don't use social media (eg in public).

https://youarenotsosmart.com/2021/08/23/yanss-213-how-to-imp...

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by flaque »

SquishyPanda23 wrote: post #31
flaque wrote: post #27

It’s worth noting that, even if you think shaming encourages people to get vaccinated, these stories are still bad because they are almost never seen by the people who you’re trying to shame. Unvaccinated people don’t like and share stories about unvaccinated people having a tube shoved down their throat and then dying alone in a hospital. The more outrageous the irony, the less it actually appeals to someone who has…

None of the reasons you listed are reasonable reasons for people to not get vaccinated.

Correct, they’re not reasonable reasons to not get vaccinated.

But they are reasonable fears to have. They’re normal fears, that make sense from their point of view.

They’re factually wrong, but understandable.

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