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Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #63

As of today, my main workstation is an "early 2008" iMac, at El Capitan and Chrome maxed out at 83.x... In addition to Chrome, I'm using six other browsers which work well with HN, my own sites, fb, gmail, ... I think in today's Web we've achieved an incredible level of compatibility, interoperability, and accessibility. Are there many sites which don't work across 25 years or 15 years or even 5 years worth of client…

It's laudable to keep old hardware in service, but there are a lot of serious security issues with such old versions of the browsers. If that machine is your only option, I personally would install Ubuntu on it, which would get you current versions of Firefox and Chrome (but of course wouldn't run OSX apps you may depend on).

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by jraph »

jacquesm wrote: post #64

They are really on a roll there, how many user hostile moves is that in the last 30 days? I think I lost count at 4. And all in the name of 'helping our users to improve their experience'. Since when is removing features that users depend on a positive? But with the competition as good as dead they can do whatever they want: the bulk of the audience is now captive and has lost either the willpower or the means to att…

> the bulk of the audience is now captive

And they don't know it for the most part. People not into computers don't realize what is going on. Sadly, many people into computers don't really care neither.

I still try to speak about privacy and why I think we should care when natural in the conversation with people who are likely to be interested. Often, people actually show interest, especially if you take their perspective in account.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by nobody9999 »

beerandt wrote: post #21
da_chicken wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same idiots looking ad and data mining revenue, and then seeing what their customer's demands are. Their customers being the ones who are buying services from Google. Not you. You're the product .

Tired of this excuse. If the audience is the product, Google still has an interest in selling a quality product. That means not running off more and more of the most tech savvy "product" segment.

>If the audience is the product, Google still has an interest in selling a quality product. That means not running off more and more of the most tech savvy "product" segment.

I'd say there's an argument to be made for pushing out the tech savvy from using Chrome.

Compared to the total user base, those folks are a tiny minority who often cause problems by complaining about privacy invasions and develop/use privacy focused extensions.

Why would Google want the small group of folks who draw attention to and sometimes (gasp!) create extensions that limit the ability of Google and Chrome to track/monitor the product herds?

If the folks who actually have a clue as to what Google is up to and how they're implementing it are driven away from Chrome, there will be fewer folks implementing privacy and related extensions for Chrome.

Anheuser-Busch doesn't care that a professional brewer is unlikely to buy cases of Bud Light. In fact, I'm sure they'd prefer they didn't, as that would likely invite negative feedback from those folks.

Having a docile, uninformed pool of "product" to be sold to advertisers gives Google the opportunity to implement more and more tracking/advertising features into Chrome with less pushback from the "product" is likely seen as an unmitigated good by the rapacious and unethical scum who want ever more tracking/monitoring in browser-based interactions.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by antisthenes »

grishka wrote: post #41
antisthenes wrote: post #29

It's hard to tell from the article, but aren't detailed cookies still available through dev tools?

You don't even need the dev tools — you can view individual cookies by clicking the lock icon in the address bar and then "cookie settings".

Yeah, but if that's the case, then I'm completely lost about what's getting removed from Chrome?

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by wyager »

codezero wrote: post #73
samizdis wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can also navigate to the site in the browser and then view the detailed data The author addresses this point (or has now addressed it) in the addendum to point out an "observer effect" shortcoming: This information can be seen with the web inspector in both Chrome and Safari. Yes, but the crucial difference is that you have to navigate to an individual site in a browser window in order to see the site data in t…

Not trying to defend anyone here, but I wonder if there's a non-nefarious reason for this. Specifically, there have been a lot of changes to cookies lately because malicious actors (malware/adware) figured out how to access the cookie store and infer/determine cookie information from other sites. I suspect that maybe this cookie store is kept in a more secure part of the application and only the cookies relevant to t…

If the browser is designed properly (this does not apply to Safari), the UI can and should have totally different permissions from the site executor/renderer.

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Post by nicce »

gaoshan wrote: post #42
booi wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s more and more obvious we need competition in the browser space. Firefox as an excellent and performant alternative. Personally I use Chrome for work and Firefox for personal stuff.

I've had decent luck with Vivaldi lately.

Please note, that it is Chromium based as well.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by tomxor »

kroltan wrote: post #24
tomxor wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We lost the servo team, but isn't servo complete enough to simmer in maintenance?

Not nearly complete enough if you want a browser. MAYBE, if you want a browsing engine / "webview".

Ahh, i'm talking about the surviving parts that were adopted by Firefox:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software)#Quantum

I remember it clearly because Firefox got a big performance boost in it's renderer when quantum was released, often it's faster than Chrome.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by [deleted] »

jacquesm wrote: post #64

They are really on a roll there, how many user hostile moves is that in the last 30 days? I think I lost count at 4. And all in the name of 'helping our users to improve their experience'. Since when is removing features that users depend on a positive? But with the competition as good as dead they can do whatever they want: the bulk of the audience is now captive and has lost either the willpower or the means to att…

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Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

dessant wrote: post #19

Looking forward to a Google employee lecturing us about how users don't care about these details and how people don't want granular control over site data.

Not a Google employee, but yes - users absolutely do not care about manipulating individual cookie key/value pairs (and if they did, they would be web developers and know how to open Developer Tools).
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