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Re: Web-based editor

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Post by pjmlp »

sdze wrote: post #17
azalemeth wrote: post #14

Am I alone in not jumping on the Visual Studio [Code] bandwagon? Other online editors have had "vim modes" for ages (e.g. Overleaf) and frankly I'm unlikely to write a chonking great script or project in a browser on Github -- a minor modification is much more likely. VS Code's codebase is huge . Will Github allow people to use other $EDITORs? (Yes, I'm aware this makes me sound like an old man!)

And I still use Netbeans. It really is also not worse than the electron monstrosity VS Code (memory/cpu wise).

Me too, the irony that those that used to bash Swing/Java rather use web sites packaged alongside the browser.

At least this way it makes sense, as a pure Web application.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by dmingod666 »

bennyp101 wrote: post #113
tdhz77 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies want developers to buy into editors like religion. All of them (editors) do the same, but spending money on IntelliJ is the hardest flex because it says I’m an enterprise developer look at me.

I bought JetBrains myself because I was told about some nice refactoring tools, and they were right. I don’t ask my work to pay, because I use it personally as well, and I look at my brother as a woodworker and he’s honed his tools to what suits him. I do the same.

Same here, they have good IDEs and I think it's worth the price if you're working on it for such a long time each day.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by addicted »

tdhz77 wrote: post #100
bennyp101 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends what I’m doing, but most day stuff is in a JetBrains product, or vscode , or sublimetext - in that order. But I did go from notepad, to eclipse, to ST, to vscode to JetBrains, so … obviously I’m trying to get into emacs now

Companies want developers to buy into editors like religion. All of them (editors) do the same, but spending money on IntelliJ is the hardest flex because it says I’m an enterprise developer look at me.

You can get access to all Jetbrains tools for $650/yr for the first year, with the price reducing in subsequent years.

Considering nearly every S/W dev globally can make that in a couple of days, I'm not sure how much of a flex it is considering it would be your primary work tool.

And I say this as someone whose never used a Jetbrains tool and use Vim for nearly everything (except when I'm on Windows where I use a mix of Notepad++ and VSCode).

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by konart »

ayushnix wrote: post #143
kumarvvr wrote: post #95

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I am a developer for almost 15 years now. My primary operating system is windows. I have used Linux but only sparingly. I have used many IDEs. I have never ever felt the need to use vim. Is it fair to say, because VSCode does not have a "vim mode", it is somehow inferior as an editor? I seriously don't get it. I have used VSCode almost from day one. It is a fantastic editor and quite a capable tool. I seriously love…

> Is it fair to say, because VSCode does not have a "vim mode", it is somehow inferior as an editor? Is VSCode an inferior editor compared to Vim/Neovim? Absolutely, it is. Is Vim/NeoVim an inferior IDE experience compared to VSCode despite the ongoing evangelism by NeoVim fundamentalists? Most likely, yes. Here's an example before I start getting flak — NeoVim doesn't have stable indent visualization lines and stabl…

>NeoVim doesn't have stable indent visualization lines

https://github.com/lukas-reineke/indent-blankline.nvim/

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by TooKool4This »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #111
kumarvvr wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a developer for almost 15 years now. My primary operating system is windows. I have used Linux but only sparingly. I have used many IDEs. I have never ever felt the need to use vim. Is it fair to say, because VSCode does not have a "vim mode", it is somehow inferior as an editor? I seriously don't get it. I have used VSCode almost from day one. It is a fantastic editor and quite a capable tool. I seriously love…

I have never used vim in my life (20 years in dev. including on linux and used linux since the late 90s). Many people talk about vim lately, probably the most I've seen and I'm still not sure why. That said, VSCode is very good. But I don't believe in a web-based IDE and in remote Github repos. That's a recipe for disaster and unescapable vendor lock-in, and in any case it's only an option for web dev., really. Edit:…

> Many people talk about vim lately, probably the most I've seen and I'm still not sure why.

Extrapolating from personal experience, I think this might be down to Covid WFH where more people have had to ssh into remote machines and may need to edit files so might choose to use vim as it’s easily available. And vim is something that I find is better learned progressively where you pick up 1 or 2 tricks every week or something so those people might have been able to pick it up over the last year or so and are now evangelizing it.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by _fat_santa »

jchw wrote: post #110
azalemeth wrote: post #14

Am I alone in not jumping on the Visual Studio [Code] bandwagon? Other online editors have had "vim modes" for ages (e.g. Overleaf) and frankly I'm unlikely to write a chonking great script or project in a browser on Github -- a minor modification is much more likely. VS Code's codebase is huge . Will Github allow people to use other $EDITORs? (Yes, I'm aware this makes me sound like an old man!)

For me the advantage of VSCode is in its approach and how it has differed from other products: - VSCode Remoting is really useful. It doesn’t suffer as much from latency as SSH or display forwarding, and lets you use some local configuration when remoting. Neovim will soon have a feature like this. - Language servers for code intelligence has greatly improved editor support for languages. Up until the introduction an…

> There is no equally useable OSS version, as the Microsoft distribution has become more dependent on services and blobs

Check out VSCodium, similar to Chrome/Chromium, it's just VSCode minus all the related Microsoft stuff.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by hortense »

divan wrote: post #27
zz865 wrote: post #2

Its scary we're heading towards a situation where everything is done in a browser. Maybe Chromeos really is the future.

If you think about it, browser is just an OS for the apps that have crappiest stack (typesetting engine from 80s and, well, javascript), weird window manager (full-window tabs), sandbox for everything (including TCP/UDP calls) and no apps distribution process whatsoever – you download app each time you want to use it. Why people are excited about this OS, I don't know :)

Some people are excited because there's no gatekeeper taking 100 USD every year for the privilege of distributing apps on it. Also, it's quite simple to start developing for it.

For complex software (e.g. video games) on the other hand the web is a real piece of crap: performance suck, no UDP, a certain browser is purposely a ton of useful APIs (or is straight up buggy).

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