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UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

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Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

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post #15

Why does the freedom to infect others outweigh the freedom to survive a preventable disease? You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the social compact to follow as it suits you.

Vaccines don't prevent transmission, you are not helping anyone but yourself with the vaccine, except for not making yourself into a burden for the medical infrastructure.

Vaccinated people are less likely to become infected, and if infected, are probably contagious for a shorter duration.

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

#32
post #15

Why does the freedom to infect others outweigh the freedom to survive a preventable disease? You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the social compact to follow as it suits you.

Vaccines don't prevent transmission, you are not helping anyone but yourself with the vaccine, except for not making yourself into a burden for the medical infrastructure.

It could be better, but it seems to be some transmission prevention: https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.E....

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

#33
post #19

Won't this create an incentive not to get the vaccine in order to continue working from home? Or to lie about your vaccination status? Companies should either institute broad vaccine mandates, or allow both vaccinated and unvaccinated employees to work from home, or bring everyone back to the office. Any policy tying your wfh status to vaccines will be abused. If anything, employees who get the vaccine should be the…

My local Amish people work, shop and live together every day. No vax. And their health is unchanged. I think that the threat posed by covid, and the necessity of the vax, has been exaggerated.

Amish people have died from COVID-19.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/04/28/9909860...

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

#34
post #12

Why does the freedom to infect others outweigh the freedom to survive a preventable disease? You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the social compact to follow as it suits you.

These people want to not have the vaccine AND to work at home so they don't infect others. You'd have a point if they wanted the right to remain unvaccinated while demanding they be allowed to work in the office. Would you prefer if companies just fired everyone who, for whatever misguided reason, don't want the vaccine?

Could a taxi company fire a driver refusing to wear a seat belt? Could a construction company fire some refusing to wear a helmet? Could a hospital fire a surgeon who refuses to wear a mask and gloves during operation?

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

#35
post #19

Won't this create an incentive not to get the vaccine in order to continue working from home? Or to lie about your vaccination status? Companies should either institute broad vaccine mandates, or allow both vaccinated and unvaccinated employees to work from home, or bring everyone back to the office. Any policy tying your wfh status to vaccines will be abused. If anything, employees who get the vaccine should be the…

My local Amish people work, shop and live together every day. No vax. And their health is unchanged. I think that the threat posed by covid, and the necessity of the vax, has been exaggerated.

> I think that the threat posed by covid, and the necessity of the vax, has been exaggerated.

You think wrong. Please stop spreading misinformation.

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

#36

The fact that anyone would think it is the responsibility of employers to force others to do anything... just amazing. You know that there is a system already in place to do that, right? It is even designed to guard against abuses that businesses aren't equipped for: this is a function of government. If you want to force your vision of the world on others - lobby the government, that is what it is there for.

I would love it if the government required vaccination but the last time the government did something controversial, a bunch of looters and thugs stormed the US Capitol and killed several police officers.

> ...killed several police officers.

lol, nothing has ever not happened more than this. If this isn't a parody representation of somebody who definitely shouldn't have any say about anybody else's health decisions, but an honest reflection of what you really believe... you should really think on how you came to be so badly mislead - and to what end.

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

#37
post #27

The labor minister of Germany recently said that companies cannot force employees to disclose their immunization status. There is a conflict between health on the one side and civil liberties/privacy on the other. We need to achieve a reasonable balance. Draconian ‘thou shalt’ demands are not the solutions but more and more companies are starting to require evidence of vaccination whether you’re going to the office o…

Immunization status has never really been considered private. It’s been the norm for 100 years for immunizations to be disclosed to schools, to foreign governments for international travel, to certain types of employers, etc.

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

#38
post #24

First they identify the outsiders. Next they eliminate them.

What does that mean?

I think GP meant that people choosing not to get a vaccine and WFH permanently will be at best treated as second class citizens, and at worst be first in line for layoffs.

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

#39
post #33
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My local Amish people work, shop and live together every day. No vax. And their health is unchanged. I think that the threat posed by covid, and the necessity of the vax, has been exaggerated.

Amish people have died from COVID-19. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/04/28/9909860...

I speak from firsthand observation and discussion.

You speak from prepared news products delivered remotely by strangers.

Grasp the epistemological difference here.

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

#40
post #27

The labor minister of Germany recently said that companies cannot force employees to disclose their immunization status. There is a conflict between health on the one side and civil liberties/privacy on the other. We need to achieve a reasonable balance. Draconian ‘thou shalt’ demands are not the solutions but more and more companies are starting to require evidence of vaccination whether you’re going to the office o…

privacy?

how about yellow/vaccination book that you need when travel to fancy places?

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