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UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

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Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

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Post by asplake »

Jenk wrote: post #8
HenryKissinger wrote: post #2

Won't this create an incentive not to get the vaccine in order to continue working from home? Or to lie about your vaccination status? Companies should either institute broad vaccine mandates, or allow both vaccinated and unvaccinated employees to work from home, or bring everyone back to the office. Any policy tying your wfh status to vaccines will be abused. If anything, employees who get the vaccine should be the…

I suspect that UBS leadership perceive working at the office as desirable. Maybe it is the same perception for UBS employees. Maybe those at home miss out on some perks or even get neglected by their managers. Personally I doubt it, and I expect there's probably a sinister undertone to this message along the lines of "Those who work at home will be treated as less willing" or something.

Ex UBS employee here, 12 years including Swissbank pre merger.

They do more than most to avoid negative publicity, especially any that might come from legal action. Related to that (or not) and very much on the plus side, they are (or at least were) a good employer.

What’s not clear from this is whether those taking advantage will suffer any downsides. My guess is that they will as far as possible make that job-specific.

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

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Post by Veen »

minikites wrote: post #17
Veen wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people want to not have the vaccine AND to work at home so they don't infect others. You'd have a point if they wanted the right to remain unvaccinated while demanding they be allowed to work in the office. Would you prefer if companies just fired everyone who, for whatever misguided reason, don't want the vaccine?

Is "vaccine refuser" a protected class or something inalienable about a person? Does everyone have the right to work anywhere they wish? Plenty of other vaccines are required to attend college and to participate in other parts of society, why is this vaccine different?

In this case its different because UBS apparently doesn't want to fire a bunch of people. Plus, as the article says, different countries have different rules about what an employer is legally allowed to make a condition of employment.

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Post by 300bps »

z2 wrote: post #13

The linked Bloomberg news article is a much more informative source than this summary of Twitter comments. If anything, it doesn't make the mistake of calling the bank the "USB Group". https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-02/ubs-ceo-s...

Universally referred to as "USB" in all three references in the linked article.

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

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Post by nickthemagicman »

minikites wrote: post #6

Why does the freedom to infect others outweigh the freedom to survive a preventable disease? You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the social compact to follow as it suits you.

If you leave quarantine you expose yourself to risk.

It's your choice to leave quarantine or not. It's your choice to get a vaccine or not.

This is a personal responsibility issue.

Not a society wide issue.

It's never been anyone's responsibility to wear a bubble suit to protect immuno-compromised people, or stop eating meat because of people with high cholesterol.. and it's not anyone's responsibility to get a vaccine to protect other people from covid.

Personally Im a hurricane evacuee and we are grateful for the help we don't demand you help us at risk to your livelihood.

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

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Post by sennight »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #18
sennight wrote: post #14

The fact that anyone would think it is the responsibility of employers to force others to do anything... just amazing. You know that there is a system already in place to do that, right? It is even designed to guard against abuses that businesses aren't equipped for: this is a function of government. If you want to force your vision of the world on others - lobby the government, that is what it is there for.

I don't agree that the government exists to social engineer society.

... and businesses do?

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

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Post by mc32 »

The labor minister of Germany recently said that companies cannot force employees to disclose their immunization status.

There is a conflict between health on the one side and civil liberties/privacy on the other.

We need to achieve a reasonable balance. Draconian ‘thou shalt’ demands are not the solutions but more and more companies are starting to require evidence of vaccination whether you’re going to the office or not.

I hope this gets settled by the labor board or the Supreme Court rather than companies takin that mantle to impose a mandate themselves.

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

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Post by nisegami »

sennight wrote: post #14

The fact that anyone would think it is the responsibility of employers to force others to do anything... just amazing. You know that there is a system already in place to do that, right? It is even designed to guard against abuses that businesses aren't equipped for: this is a function of government. If you want to force your vision of the world on others - lobby the government, that is what it is there for.

But a business has a legitimate incentive to want their employees vaccinated. Every Covid infection is lost productivity. And if it goes poorly, that could be an empty seat that now needs to be filled.

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

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Post by jacquesm »

swayvil wrote: post #19
HenryKissinger wrote: post #2

Won't this create an incentive not to get the vaccine in order to continue working from home? Or to lie about your vaccination status? Companies should either institute broad vaccine mandates, or allow both vaccinated and unvaccinated employees to work from home, or bring everyone back to the office. Any policy tying your wfh status to vaccines will be abused. If anything, employees who get the vaccine should be the…

My local Amish people work, shop and live together every day. No vax. And their health is unchanged. I think that the threat posed by covid, and the necessity of the vax, has been exaggerated.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-amish-idUSL2...

Re: UBS CEO: Those who don’t want the vaccine can work from home

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Post by andybak »

swayvil wrote: post #19
HenryKissinger wrote: post #2

Won't this create an incentive not to get the vaccine in order to continue working from home? Or to lie about your vaccination status? Companies should either institute broad vaccine mandates, or allow both vaccinated and unvaccinated employees to work from home, or bring everyone back to the office. Any policy tying your wfh status to vaccines will be abused. If anything, employees who get the vaccine should be the…

My local Amish people work, shop and live together every day. No vax. And their health is unchanged. I think that the threat posed by covid, and the necessity of the vax, has been exaggerated.

Thanks for the anecdata. I'm sure that outweighs all other evidence.
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