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Re: Web-based editor

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Post by junon »

teekert wrote: post #83
junon wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those unaware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis... > "Embrace, extend, and extinguish" (EEE) . . . is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found that was used internally by Microsoft to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences in order to stron…

You get downvoted but I also have that little voice in my head. I keep thinking about hitting a point of no return with my dependency on Microsoft. But I'm not there yet, I could untangle fairly quickly, fairly painlessly. Moreover, many of MS' recent stuff is FOSS, they can change it, but we can fork it. And competitors like GitLab are still alive and kicking, not suffering by the looks of it. But the little voice i…

Yeah the downvotes don't surprise me, but their strategy has existed historically - proven, as it were - and thus I have to assume they still employ these tactics. At least from the outside, it sure seems so.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by mistercow »

throwaway47292 wrote: post #20

It seems we are moving to a world of magic, where developers will be alchemists, and only a handful of people will understand "physics" or "chemistry" and know what is actually going on in the cloud, serverless, fileless, functionless development. Since google translate and google maps, I always ask myself, what is the real price for this very convenient and engaging product.

Haven’t we been in that world for a while now? Some of what used to be deep magic becomes shallow magic, accessible to far more people, while the magic that enables it becomes a deeper, darker art. I also don’t think this is particularly unique to computing, except insofar as computing is inherently more accessible than other technologies.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by philote »

goto11 wrote: post #41
ausudhz wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this happening a lot with the young engineers. Very few of them really know what's happening under the hoods.

Does anybody really know anything which goes on under the hood, all the way down to transistors? I think it is half a century since this was even possible for a single person.

A degree in Computer Science should teach you most of those things.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by bennyp101 »

azalemeth wrote: post #14

Am I alone in not jumping on the Visual Studio [Code] bandwagon? Other online editors have had "vim modes" for ages (e.g. Overleaf) and frankly I'm unlikely to write a chonking great script or project in a browser on Github -- a minor modification is much more likely. VS Code's codebase is huge . Will Github allow people to use other $EDITORs? (Yes, I'm aware this makes me sound like an old man!)

Depends what I’m doing, but most day stuff is in a JetBrains product, or vscode , or sublimetext - in that order.

But I did go from notepad, to eclipse, to ST, to vscode to JetBrains, so … obviously I’m trying to get into emacs now

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by kumarvvr »

azalemeth wrote: post #14

Am I alone in not jumping on the Visual Studio [Code] bandwagon? Other online editors have had "vim modes" for ages (e.g. Overleaf) and frankly I'm unlikely to write a chonking great script or project in a browser on Github -- a minor modification is much more likely. VS Code's codebase is huge . Will Github allow people to use other $EDITORs? (Yes, I'm aware this makes me sound like an old man!)

I am a developer for almost 15 years now. My primary operating system is windows. I have used Linux but only sparingly.

I have used many IDEs.

I have never ever felt the need to use vim.

Is it fair to say, because VSCode does not have a "vim mode", it is somehow inferior as an editor?

I seriously don't get it. I have used VSCode almost from day one. It is a fantastic editor and quite a capable tool. I seriously love it.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by zimbatm »

Brave users out there, something in the security model is preventing from loading the Service Worker. I tried to relax the permissions on the domains but it's still being blocked somehow:

> Error loading webview: Error: Could not register service workers: NotSupportedError: Failed to register a ServiceWorker for scope ('https://a47e99b4-9517-4e50-87ca-95e06da14aed.vscode-webview....') with script ('https://a47e99b4-9517-4e50-87ca-95e06da14aed.vscode-webview....'): The user denied permission to use Service Worker..

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by duped »

divan wrote: post #27
zz865 wrote: post #2

Its scary we're heading towards a situation where everything is done in a browser. Maybe Chromeos really is the future.

If you think about it, browser is just an OS for the apps that have crappiest stack (typesetting engine from 80s and, well, javascript), weird window manager (full-window tabs), sandbox for everything (including TCP/UDP calls) and no apps distribution process whatsoever – you download app each time you want to use it. Why people are excited about this OS, I don't know :)

All of these things are secondary to a standard UI and distribution for all platforms.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by aloer »

zz865 wrote: post #80
maple3142 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> sandbox for everything IMO, This is the best thing about browser as an OS. You can run untrusted apps and know that it couldn't steal your ssh keys or other things without your consent, similar to iOS and Android.

Yes its the best thing about a browser when your laptop has valuable stuff on it. When all your data is on a server its like you dont need a sandbox any more. :)

There are more benefits with the browser sandbox than just plain old file access. Web apps can’t just read the clipboard or enter scripts/commands or take screenshots or activate webcam and microphone

For all practical purposes, file system sandbox features might actually be the first to become meaningless again when more and more data is stored in offline browser caches

And application delivery in enterprise environments is also much more lightweight compared to VDI solutions like Citrix so there’s another benefit in terms of sandbox and isolation

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by tdhz77 »

bennyp101 wrote: post #94
azalemeth wrote: post #14

Am I alone in not jumping on the Visual Studio [Code] bandwagon? Other online editors have had "vim modes" for ages (e.g. Overleaf) and frankly I'm unlikely to write a chonking great script or project in a browser on Github -- a minor modification is much more likely. VS Code's codebase is huge . Will Github allow people to use other $EDITORs? (Yes, I'm aware this makes me sound like an old man!)

Depends what I’m doing, but most day stuff is in a JetBrains product, or vscode , or sublimetext - in that order. But I did go from notepad, to eclipse, to ST, to vscode to JetBrains, so … obviously I’m trying to get into emacs now

Companies want developers to buy into editors like religion. All of them (editors) do the same, but spending money on IntelliJ is the hardest flex because it says I’m an enterprise developer look at me.
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