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It’s worth noting that, even if you think shaming encourages people to get vaccinated, these stories are still bad because they are almost never seen by the people who you’re trying to shame. Unvaccinated people don’t like and share stories about unvaccinated people having a tube shoved down their throat and then dying alone in a hospital. The more outrageous the irony, the less it actually appeals to someone who has…
I'm not so sure. All of my friends who aren't getting the vaccine and vocal about it are pushing some pretty out there reasons. It may have started from relatively reasonable reasons, but it has morphed into an especially vitrolic ideology and in-group signaling rather quickly. Also, a lot of polls show there is a sticky group of people who will never get it and that population hasn't changed much over time. So at th…
I’m not saying you should buy their arguments.
You need to give people an “out”. If folks approach it as proving that the unvaccinated are “wrong”, then it just makes them dig in their heels.
It's amazing how years of anti-vax nonsense went nowhere. But, in a few months, all of this shaming and politicizing have done so much damage. Public health rests on trust, not mocking, not shaming, not coercion.
People are angry. They see vaccine refusers as prolonging the pandemic and putting their loved ones/everyone at risk for nothing.
Given that it spreads faster amongst the unvaccinated it’s the vaccines that are prolonging it. The entire flatten the curve narrative is about making it last as long as possible. With deltas R value of 5 to 8 it could be over by Christmas even with vaccines and masks.
I thought it was about reducing total deaths by not overloading health care services.
Reddit has a subreddit dedicated to this. I understand the justifications and the frustration, but so much of that is people being hateful. I've seen everything from race, hair style, weight, religion, etc mocked because the people deserve it. I think it's the most toxic part of humanity. I hope reddit closes hateful subs like this. Here is a similar article about that sub. https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/herman-…
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Most people do not "deserve" bed space because most sickness is selfmade. People smoke, drink and eat too much, so they all deserve to die?
You overeating doesn't give everyone else around you diabetes. I'm never going to buy the attempts to equate getting a personal preventable illness with willful and malicious disregard of the health of everyone surrounding you. We're pretty understanding of a person who struggles with alcoholism. We're a whole lot less understanding when they choose to get behind the wheel.
This seems like a deflection. Given GP's argument, a better question would be are obese people more likely to spread COVID than non-obese people?
Well, we know someone who has contracted COVID can expect worse outcomes if they're obese.
Given that, it seems safe to assume that obese people are more likely to get breakthrough infections and/or that they have slower recoveries (i.e. more coughing/sneezing and more spreading COVID) than non-obese people.
So it seems reasonable (in a back-of-the-envelope sort of way) to infer that obese folks are more likely to spread COVID than non-obese folks.
Now, back to GP's argument--If we're suggesting that non-vaccinated people are less deserving of healthcare than vaccinated people because they're contributing the the spread of COVID, why wouldn't we treat obese folks the same?
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Most people do not "deserve" bed space because most sickness is selfmade. People smoke, drink and eat too much, so they all deserve to die?
You overeating doesn't give everyone else around you diabetes. I'm never going to buy the attempts to equate getting a personal preventable illness with willful and malicious disregard of the health of everyone surrounding you. We're pretty understanding of a person who struggles with alcoholism. We're a whole lot less understanding when they choose to get behind the wheel.
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None of the reasons you listed are reasonable reasons for people to not get vaccinated.
Correct, they’re not reasonable reasons to not get vaccinated. But they are reasonable fears to have. They’re normal fears, that make sense from their point of view. They’re factually wrong, but understandable.
The abusive husband has a reasonable fear of being abandoned. The white supremacist has a reasonable fear of losing their jobs to competition. Etc etc
Being able to give a casual explanation for the behavior doesn't justify it. At some point people have an obligation to not harm others.
People are angry. They see vaccine refusers as prolonging the pandemic and putting their loved ones/everyone at risk for nothing.
You hear the same in places where 90% have gotten two shots.
The vaccines don't work so well. If you want to reduce the curve you need to go out 70% less. No one wants to share that getting a vaccine was never enough. We were told just get a shot and it will kill covid you can go back to normal living. The vaccines are not that good.
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In smoking, drinking, eating too much, there are pleasures. Thus, making it difficult for people to stop. Stopping them requires fighting real urges. That's why they deserve sympathy. In not getting vaccinated there's no pleasure. Only stupidity and ignorance.
I'm not sure what your argument is? That pleasure is what determines if something is ok to do? People have reasons for not taking a vaccine the same way people have reasons for drinking. They have their own reasons, it is their choice.
I argued that being vaccinated is not comparable to those, because unlike them, your body doesn't have any urge to not vaccinated. It's very easy to get vaccinated. It's just a stupid decision.