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Stop Death Shaming

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Re: Stop Death Shaming

#21

They should be shamed. It would be fine if they didn't take the vaccine and stayed home but they don't do that. They go to the hospital and take up valuable bed space that I would argue thy don't deserve. I realistically don't know how much the intent is to persuade people to get the vaccine. As they point out, it wouldn't be a good strategy, but at this point, not much is going to change a person's mind over it anyw…

Most people do not "deserve" bed space because most sickness is selfmade. People smoke, drink and eat too much, so they all deserve to die?

Totalt agree, I personally took up valuable hospital space after a biking accident.

I feel not taking the vaccine is a bit different but cannot really express this in an objective way so I guess it is not.

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#22

Stop telling people to stop doing things. It's very rude. Explain to us why the behavior is bad, instead.

> Stop telling people to stop doing things. It's very rude.

> Explain to us why the behavior is bad, instead.

The words after the headline (attempt to) do that.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The context is different when there are issues with hospital capacity and there is a known solution that costs nothing to prevent hospitals’ from being overburdened.

The context is the same in regards to the self afflicted conditions he mentioned

Quitting smoking and losing weight are incredibly difficult and take years. Getting a jab takes five minutes and no effort whatsoever. You even get paid to do it at some places.

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#24
I don’t think the unvaccinated mind the shaming as much as the threats - to be denied health care, sent to camps, fired from their jobs, forbidden to buy food, forbidden freedom of movement, etc. those things matter a lot more than “shaming”

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#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people do not "deserve" bed space because most sickness is selfmade. People smoke, drink and eat too much, so they all deserve to die?

Habitual lifestyle factors are not the same as the exogenous novel coronavirus.

There is nothing habitual about stuffing food down your throat to the point of obesity.

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#26
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people do not "deserve" bed space because most sickness is selfmade. People smoke, drink and eat too much, so they all deserve to die?

You overeating doesn't give everyone else around you diabetes. I'm never going to buy the attempts to equate getting a personal preventable illness with willful and malicious disregard of the health of everyone surrounding you. We're pretty understanding of a person who struggles with alcoholism. We're a whole lot less understanding when they choose to get behind the wheel.

Riding a motorbike? Does nothing for anyone that cannot be done in a safer way but kills people and sometimes others.

Drinking alcohol?

I think making fun of someone dying is way too harsh.

All that being said I think vaccine certificates should be introduced with some ways of testing out for people that cannot take the vaccine.

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#27
It’s worth noting that, even if you think shaming encourages people to get vaccinated, these stories are still bad because they are almost never seen by the people who you’re trying to shame.

Unvaccinated people don’t like and share stories about unvaccinated people having a tube shoved down their throat and then dying alone in a hospital.

The more outrageous the irony, the less it actually appeals to someone who hasn’t gotten the vaccine yet.

Similarly, many of these stories focus heavily on the most crazy, most irrational reasons to not get the vaccine.

Most folks who don’t get the vaccine are coming from very understandable places.

- They may believe that they already got COVID and think that, because they already got it, then they’re “immune” (which is wrong, but reasonable to assume)

- They have heard people they consider smart and reputable, like Eric Weinstein, claim misleading or false statistics about deaths from the vaccine. (Again, wrong, but understandable)

- they may still think that the vaccine is “not FDA approved”, due to poor messaging from the FDA. (It is approved by the way, not just emergency authorization)

- they may not have time to go get a vaccine. Not everyone can take time off work

- they may be afraid of needles, or the side effects, and are unwilling to admit it. I was afraid of the side effects before getting my vaccine (though it turned out fine)

All of these are irrational reasons, since COVID is super contagious, absolutely awful to get, and puts many people, even those who survive, alone in the hospital with a tube shoved down their throat. But they’re reasonable fears; understandable fears.

And shaming people for entirely reasonable fears does not get more people vaccinated.

A lot of people seem to care more about their anger towards unvaccinated people, and their desire to shame them, than actually stopping the pandemic by taking strategies that would actually get them vaccinated.

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#28

Reddit has a subreddit dedicated to this. I understand the justifications and the frustration, but so much of that is people being hateful. I've seen everything from race, hair style, weight, religion, etc mocked because the people deserve it. I think it's the most toxic part of humanity. I hope reddit closes hateful subs like this. Here is a similar article about that sub. https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/herman-…

not surprising to be honest, reddit is a pretty vitriolic place.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

#29
IMHO, the most surprising (and disturbing) thing about people refusing the vaccine, catching COVID, and dying is that there are so many of them. Enough for the media to talk about a random new dead person every day. Enough to sustain a shitty subreddit. In a country where vaccination is free.

I agree that mocking them isn't productive, but at this stage, it feels more like a coping mechanism. When the world around you stops making sense, what are you going to do, other than laugh?

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