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Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by rowanG077 » Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 8:11 AM UTC

follower wrote: post #236

rowanG077 wrote: post #38

I would have loved to buy this laptop. I did just buy a xps 13. One thing I'm always really worried about when buying a laptop is thermals. With the XPS 13 I could add some thermals pads, new TIM and heat pipes to greatly improve thermals. Is there any info on the thermals of the Framework laptop?

Given the XPS 13 is essentially a "closed" system, if you managed to add those items then I assume your options with the intentionally "open" Framework laptop would be greater still. This article seems to go into some details and has pictures: https://frame.work/blog/the-upgradeable-mainboard Key quote: "We’ve designed the thermal system in the Framework Laptop to handle 28W continuous processor load. By making space…

One big difference is that the XPS has the cooling on the bottom which means you can connect the heat pipes to the bottom aluminium chassis. That makes an insane difference.

But 28W continuous is very promising!

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by ducktective » Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 8:40 AM UTC

raxxorrax wrote: post #240

Pretty much empirical evidence that the excuse of compact design not allowing for repairs was a blatant lie and many consumers swallowed that lie with glee. I guess the next argument is that the laptop isn't watertight 50m under the sea?

No the next excuse would be the advent of `laptop-on-chip`s

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by fragileone » Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 9:55 AM UTC

outworlder wrote: post #83

I really, really really wish they had an AMD option. I don't really _need_ a laptop currently, but that would probably push me over. If they had that and a supported eGPU configuration (or even an option with better graphics) I would probably retire my desktop.

Doesn't this mean it would lose Thunderbolt support?

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by reirob » Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 10:10 AM UTC

ksec wrote: post #151

commoner wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the Framework Laptop had a keyboard option with a TrackPoint-style pointing stick (and 3 physical mouse buttons between the keys and the touchpad), it would be a very strong contender against ThinkPads. Lenovo has handicapped recent ThinkPad models with soldered memory, and the TrackPoint is their only remaining unique feature. Framework community discussion: https://community.frame.work/t/any-chance-of-trackpoint

>If the Framework Laptop had a keyboard option with a TrackPoint-style pointing stick Patents?

If other companies can provide keyboards with a TrackPoint [1], then I think it should be possible - disclaimer, I have such an external keyboard, the Shinobi, and the TrackPoint movement (on Linux) is actually better and more accurate than on my ThinkPad laptop.

[1]: https://tex.com.tw/

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by atebyagrue » Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 10:27 AM UTC

FearlessNebula wrote: post #201

atebyagrue wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. I never... NEVER do first run of anything, but I firmly believed in the business model, rolled the dice, and received my $1200 i7 DIY kit. Sold my 3 month old XPS-13 and haven't looked back. Deep sleep and fingerprint reader were the only things that didn't work out of the box, and the implementation (if you take a look at the forum) is trivial. I would definitely recommend it to folks.

Is this https://community.frame.work/t/linux-deep-sleep/2491 the sleep fix? If not, can you link it?

Yep. Assuming you're using GRUB, then that last post is the recommended solution.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by jet_32951 » Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 10:36 AM UTC

This looks brilliant. I am curious about the difficulty of assembly. Anyone with assembly experience on the DIY model? I went looking for the assembly instructions and didn't find them on Framework's site.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by cooperadymas » Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 11:59 AM UTC

I don't envy laptop manufactuerers.

"I would buy it if it had a non-chiclet keyboard"

"I would buy it if it had a dedicated GPU."

"I would buy it if they had an AMD option."

"I would buy it if it were cheaper than similar models from huge established corporations."

"I would buy it if they figured out the tax and import laws for every country so they could ship it anywhere in the world."

"I would buy it if it didn't have an awful keyboard layout."

"I would buy it if its trackpad were as good as the one made by the richest company in the world."

"I would buy it if it had a trackpoint like one manufacturer puts on a few of their laptops."

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by matthiaswh » Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 12:01 PM UTC

canadaduane wrote: post #124

Has anyone tried installing System76's Pop!_OS on frame.work?

Yes, no issues with it for me.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by matthiaswh » Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 12:10 PM UTC

kelnos wrote: post #198

Anyone have an opinion on the feel of the keyboard and touchpad, as well as the quality (color gamut, brightness, etc.) of the screen? I'm strongly considering getting one of these, but it's hard to take the leap to a newcomer manufacturer where I can't try before I buy. Also, any idea why the i7-1185G7 is a full $400 more than the 1165G7? Comparison[0] shows no major differences I can see, just some slight clock bum…

Correct, the biggest cost difference is because of vPro, which you probably do not need.

Keyboard and touchpad are extremely subjective. As someone who has used ThinkPads exclusively for a very long time and is a huge fan of the trackpoint, I have largely enjoyed using the Framework's touchpad. The keyboard I am a little less certain about. Not having dedicated page up/down/home/end buttons is really throwing me for a loop as I tend to rely on those for navigation a lot. Chiclet keyboards are not my favorite, but I haven't found it uncomfortable.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by matthiaswh » Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 12:14 PM UTC

jet_32951 wrote: post #246

This looks brilliant. I am curious about the difficulty of assembly. Anyone with assembly experience on the DIY model? I went looking for the assembly instructions and didn't find them on Framework's site.

I think the video on the DIY version page shows the extent of it. Mine came partially assembled because of some manufacturing reason, so I only had to throw in the SSD, RAM, and wifi card. Regardless, assembly should not require anything more difficult than lining up components and inserting screws.

Well, connecting tiny antenna cables is kind of a pain if you have fat clumsy fingers. But with a little patience it isn't a big deal.