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Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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lostapathy wrote: post #98
dheera wrote: post #35

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Oh sure but they could charge Newegg's price and just order from Newegg? I just feel like if I'm going to order any sort of "bundle" of items I should be getting a discount. Fundamental axiom of sales: price([A, B])

> Oh sure but they could charge Newegg's price and just order from Newegg? Good way to not stay in business. At the very least, they need to mark it up enough to cover the credit card fees when they re-sell it, never mind the costs of the logistics of the resale operation.

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Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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OJFord wrote: post #74
dheera wrote: post #55

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I don't care, but if you were a customer, and price([A,B]) was greater than price([A])+price([B]) elsewhere, who would you buy from? I mean, I'll happily sell you $100 Amazon products for $150 if you'd like. I can even charge for shipping, and not pass on the 5% cashback I get.

Well a good thing about this is you can do that. Just order it bare without any of the optional parts, and get those wherever you want. I've been thinking of doing that (when it finally launches in the UK..!) just to enjoy the promise of being able to. Even though they're offering RAM and WiFi cheaper than I could find it elsewhere in a quick look (Amazon & Scan).

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Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by robertlagrant »

kakadu wrote: post #152
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #79

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Sometimes 'funding the change you want to see' is merely to appease your own conscience; some real problems are systemic or caused by other actors. Turning a 1 L/min sink off for the 20 seconds of washing your hands doesn't matter when the farmer down the road is growing row crops in a desert with center-pivot irrigation system. But other times, like this? It's absolutely a valid approach. If a high-profile open lapt…

> Sometimes 'funding the change you want to see' is merely to appease your own conscience; some real problems are systemic or caused by other actors. Indeed, there is no point in having individuals resisting the system, rather changing the system itself would bring forth the systemic change we want. Probably better to have legislations such as GDPR in place rather than people having to install a bunch of privacy exte…

Thinking of this as "the system" just sheds personal agency for no reason. Or at least, no good reason.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by ranguna »

I was deciding between this and an xps 15 9510, I'm going with the xps because it offers better cpu options i7 11850H and i9 11900H. Maybe in the future I'll get a framework laptop, but for now, dell it is.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by mackrevinack »

codethief wrote: post #91

This is the first time I'm hearing about the Framework laptop and… damn, it looks enticing. Unfortunately, 13" is definitely too small for me (in terms of ergonomics). Are you planning on releasing models with a larger (and matte) screen in the future? Also, could the keyboard "module" in theory be fully customized by the community (so as to support ergonomic layouts similar to ErgoDox, include a trackpoint etc.)? Fi…

i would have bought it in an instant if it had a trackpoint! i get its a pretty big ask to add something so niche that only a few people use but still, i just don't even consider non-trackpoint laptops these days. i even switched fully to using a trackpad/surface book for a year to see if i could could rid myself of the addiction but it wasn't for me. #trackpoint4life

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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rowanG077 wrote: post #38

I would have loved to buy this laptop. I did just buy a xps 13. One thing I'm always really worried about when buying a laptop is thermals. With the XPS 13 I could add some thermals pads, new TIM and heat pipes to greatly improve thermals. Is there any info on the thermals of the Framework laptop?

Given the XPS 13 is essentially a "closed" system, if you managed to add those items then I assume your options with the intentionally "open" Framework laptop would be greater still.

This article seems to go into some details and has pictures:

https://frame.work/blog/the-upgradeable-mainboard

Key quote:

"We’ve designed the thermal system in the Framework Laptop to handle 28W continuous processor load. By making space for an unusually large 65mmx5.5mm cooling fan and carefully designing our airflow paths, we’ve done this without sacrificing quietness. Our dual 5mm heatpipes and copper fin pack allows the CPU to run up to 60W turbo."

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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evilos wrote: post #230
pbronez wrote: post #194

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If the motherboard is replaceable, why not order one now, then upgrade to an AMD motherboard + CPU when they’re available?

What will I do with the spare motherboard? It would likely be too hard to sell. I wonder if framework will sell you the chassis parts without a motherboard?

Apparently the motherboards are designed to be functional when used standalone as a single board computer.

More details here: https://frame.work/blog/the-upgradeable-mainboard

Key quote:

"One additional design consideration we emphasized is maximizing reusability. The mainboard is fully functional by itself outside of the system. This means that if you upgrade the mainboard in your Framework Laptop, you can take the replaced one and use it as a high performance single board computer. [...] We’ll offer the mainboard by itself in the Framework Marketplace [...]"

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by follower »

yellowapple wrote: post #185
nrp wrote: post #122

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You can actually boot Linux off of the Storage Expansion Cards (I do it regularly with Fedora 34 and Ubuntu 21.04). You can't easily do that with Windows 10, but you can put Windows 10 on the internal SSD and Linux on the Expansion Card to achieve what you're describing.

How's performance relative to an internal drive? Historically when I've tried that it was kinda painful (there's a reason why "live" Linux distros used a ramdisk even after the advent of USB drives), but that was back before USB Type-C was a thing, so maybe that's fast enough that it'd at least be on par with a traditional HDD?

FWIW I've used "live" Linux distros running from a USB 3.0 flash drive stick (non-USB Type-C) on a variety of hardware and it was entirely "usable" if not ideal in terms of performance. (At least as a short term thing.)

So I would imagine non-stick drives would work okay.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by follower »

johncessna wrote: post #127

I was 100% going to get a Framework for linux purposes, and then the Steam Deck was announced. My thought was to dock the Steam Deck when it's development time and then undock it when it's gaming/travel time.

Yeah, the Steam Deck adds an interesting wrinkle to the equation...

Seems there will definitely be folks who can easily determine whether they're better served by a "portable gaming pc" vs a "laptop pc"--but there's some use cases where the decision isn't as clear cut so it'd be informative to see how people choose.

Interesting times in Linux land.

2022 as "Year of Linux on the Couch" finally? :D

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by raxxorrax »

Pretty much empirical evidence that the excuse of compact design not allowing for repairs was a blatant lie and many consumers swallowed that lie with glee.

I guess the next argument is that the laptop isn't watertight 50m under the sea?

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