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Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

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Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

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Post by icare_1er »

collaborative wrote: post #22
w_t_payne wrote: post #5

Brexit was an absolute tragedy for my family. Immediately after the referendum was lost, my children and wife started to experience a level of racially motivated abuse that we had not seen before. This reached a level where my wife felt she could no longer remain in the country and arranged for us to relocate as a family to mainland Europe. The move was not kind for me, and soon after I arrived I had a breakdown and…

I'm sorry to hear that this happened to you. Brexit also put a lot of psychological pressure on my wife. She's from a Baltic country, but during Brexit, she'd constantly be asked if she was Polish for no reason at all. -"Hi, nice to meet you" -"Hi, are you Polish?" Nothing against Polish people of course, but it made her start to gradually lose it. Each new instance would bring tears for days Luckily, it seems Brexit…

Gosh, that is so terrible, someone noticed your accent and asked where you came from... sounds like the IVth Reich is coming fast !!

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

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Post by aaomidi »

icare_1er wrote: post #160
aaomidi wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm someone who has lived both in UK and now in the US. UK has a huge issue with racism that people don't even want to acknowledge. The prejudice, micro aggressions, general nastiness from people is extremely off-putting in UK. In the US nearly every city with over 1 mil in population is open to conversations about racial discrimination, and individuals generally do a good job and admit fault when some behavior is ca…

"micro-aggressions", lol... i know that argument... By liberal standards, being asked what your accent is, becomes the equivalent of being beaten to death by the KKK. Stop wanting so hard to be a victim.

Have you considered asking what are the micro-aggressions instead of building up a strawman to fight it?

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

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Post by aaomidi »

native_samples wrote: post #153
aaomidi wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm someone who has lived both in UK and now in the US. UK has a huge issue with racism that people don't even want to acknowledge. The prejudice, micro aggressions, general nastiness from people is extremely off-putting in UK. In the US nearly every city with over 1 mil in population is open to conversations about racial discrimination, and individuals generally do a good job and admit fault when some behavior is ca…

You appear to be redefining racism as "willing to agree with me when I assert everything is racist". You aren't naming any specific problem you saw with actual racism, only that people react badly when you claim it's everywhere. But as you use words like micro-aggressions we can safely assume you're the type of person who led to lists like this: https://twitter.com/titaniamcgrath/status/128102398724248780... Don't co…

> Don't conflate woke identity politics with racism. They are fundamentally different. British people are right to reject your America-centric obsession with finding racism in everything, given the UK's excellent track record.

Again, this is what I mean by British people refusing to engage with my experiences as a brown person living in UK.

Building up a strawman, then assuming I'm part of that strawman, then dismissing it does no one any good.

In Primary school in UK I (and all the non-white) kids were segregated in seating. I was always assigned seating near other brown kids.

When out shopping with my parents, in smaller stores we were "stalked" to make sure we didn't steal anything. This did not happen to our white friends that we asked to keep an eye out for this behavior.

In school plays, the non-white kids were always assigned the side-roles and the "peasant" roles. E.g. I was assigned to be a "chimney cleaner", which involved the makeup people spreading black ink all over myface and essentially making me do blackface.

But sure, this is just woke politics and you know everything about our lives.

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

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Post by rvz »

native_samples wrote: post #156
rvz wrote: post #11

More like 'mission failed successfully' for the Tech sector in the UK. Many UK tech startups are getting acquired in all directions and the Big Tech companies in the US continue to open more offices in the UK. The biggest casualty of Brexit in the UK tech industry was ARM. The competition for UK tech startups to hire away talent from the big tech companies has become close to impossible. I don't think we are going to…

ARM was bought by a Japanese firm and they are now trying to sell it to a US firm. How is Brexit related?

Brexit made the price tag of ARM significantly cheaper for other firms like SoftBank to take it over. [0]

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2016/07/18/arm-softb...

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

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Post by CaptainZapp »

raxxorrax wrote: post #137
CaptainZapp wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can account for all my intercontinental international travelling since 1980, since I kept all my passports. But how would I ever be able to account for international trips, where id was sufficient (so no stamp) or didn't need id in the first place, which is mostly the case since 2008?

You just don't mention it.

It's a really bad idea to lie on a visa application. Even if this lie is by omission and unintentional.

If you're caught in such a "lie" you risk not only refusal of your visa, but you also risk being banned from the country for years.

It would be a different matter if the question would specifically exclude EU travel. But looking at the UKs behavior towards foreigners in the last ten years I very much doubt it.

This hostility is not something cooked up by me, or felt anecdotally, it's an actual government policy implemented in 2012[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Office_hostile_environmen...

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

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Post by raxxorrax »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #165
raxxorrax wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just don't mention it.

It's a really bad idea to lie on a visa application. Even if this lie is by omission and unintentional. If you're caught in such a "lie" you risk not only refusal of your visa, but you also risk being banned from the country for years. It would be a different matter if the question would specifically exclude EU travel. But looking at the UKs behavior towards foreigners in the last ten years I very much doubt it. This…

True, you shouldn't lie, but there is no documentation when you travel within the EU.

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

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Post by _nalply »

native_samples wrote: post #155
secretsatan wrote: post #18

Speaking as a UK immigrant to Switzerland, even though it is not in the EU, Brexit is just a massive pain. Switzerland has a somewhat strained relationship with the EU, but does have lots of bilateral agreements, like free movement in the Schengen zone, now I'm not even sure if I need a passport to cross the border to France for a day trip. Not to mention job prospects, it used to be Swiss, then EU then the rest of t…

Also speaking as a UK immigrant to Switzerland, Brexit hasn't changed anything and hasn't been a pain at all. If anything it's brought the UK closer to Switzerland because it's now got a friend who's also outside the UK and is big in financial services, so there have been lots of quick deals and collaborations signed between the two countries. But beyond that it makes no difference to my life. Now it seems maybe you…

> Schengen rules say you must have ID with you at all times, even for internal travel. It's not well enforced [...]

This is true. My story:

Summer I returned from holiday in Ticino with family by car. The shortest way is by Italy. This way I avoided many hairpin bends. My son tends to get sick from them.

By the way, Italy explicitly allows transit without a Covid certificate if you travel by car and don't stay longer than 36 hours. Our route meant that we were in Italy for 60 minutes.

However I lost my Swiss ID card.

I decided to go anyway counting on Italian customs not being staffed and it worked. Back at the Swiss border our Simplon car-train got controlled but when I had our four cards (three ID cards and my driving license) ready and visible through the window we got waved through without a fuss.

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

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Post by piva00 »

CodeGlitch wrote: post #99
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #88

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> The long term trend has been greatly softening attitudes towards immigration. I strongly dispute this. The UK has anything but a softened attitude towards immigration in recent years. It was bad enough that it made me leave because I felt the longer term trend is not going to be good for me and my family and I'm a white European. You might not see it as much if you're not directly affected, but the discourse on the…

> I think the UK both wants to think of itself as world open, but a huge part of the population does not like it. Now it's conflicted of what it wants as a country. Yes isn't it great that we live in a democracy, and have the population decide which direction they would like the country to go in.

Sure, but as far as I understand democracy, for it to really work you need well informed citizens. I would say that metric isn't trending up in most countries on Earth at this moment.

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

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Post by CodeGlitch »

piva00 wrote: post #168
CodeGlitch wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the UK both wants to think of itself as world open, but a huge part of the population does not like it. Now it's conflicted of what it wants as a country. Yes isn't it great that we live in a democracy, and have the population decide which direction they would like the country to go in.

Sure, but as far as I understand democracy, for it to really work you need well informed citizens. I would say that metric isn't trending up in most countries on Earth at this moment.

Agreed, but hasn't that always been the case? I'm not sure a better solution exists either. Perhaps a series of questions before you're allowed to vote that tests your understanding of the principles of the choices you are voting for?

Also I'm guessing you are suggesting that voters who voted leave where uniformed? (Please correct me if I'm wrong). I still don't believe that to be the case. The run up to the election there was wall-to-wall coverage on the subject across TV, radio and the internet.

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

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Post by dang »

biscotte_ wrote: post #100
eptcyka wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me and my partner are in the same boat as your wife - we're from the baltic states and when people are curious about our origins, they ask if we're polish or not. I don't really hold it against people, but having to reassert your own ethnicity gets tiring. Most people are not aware of the country I come from anyway. As a side note of the knowledge the general public holds, it seems like the history knowledge people g…

I live in the Uk, i’m not British, and speak with a foreign accent. I was extremely surprised to see people complain of the « racist abuses »... until i read those few posts explaining that the « racists abuses » in question were the mere fact of being asked « what’s your accent ». Ok, if being asked what your accent is, is a « racial abuse », then yes, i guess i am a victim and should whine and maybe ask for money?…

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