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Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

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Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

#11
More like 'mission failed successfully' for the Tech sector in the UK.

Many UK tech startups are getting acquired in all directions and the Big Tech companies in the US continue to open more offices in the UK. The biggest casualty of Brexit in the UK tech industry was ARM.

The competition for UK tech startups to hire away talent from the big tech companies has become close to impossible. I don't think we are going to see a 'Google' in the UK anytime soon if this continues.

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

#12
The UK Home Office has long had a 'hostile environment' [1] policy so what's changed is essentially its extension to a wider group of people (EU nationals).

When you combine this approach with administrative incompetence (eg but not limited to Windrush [2] where people who legally had the right to stay were deported to countries where they had never lived as adults) you get some very unpleasant situations indeed.

Not surprising at all that all this deters people from moving to the UK.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Office_hostile_environmen...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windrush_scandal

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

#14

Sad but true. I think the most fundamental change of Brexit is the overwhelming "you're not welcome" message. Visas, papers, bureaucrats, people can deal with. But the idea that you're at best tolerated so long as you pay your taxes is really off-putting (even for me, now UK citizen and long-time resident). Also, all these schemes forget that moving for a job is so much more than that - it is moving a life. Can you m…

> I don't get the impression people are looked down on because they are foreign

In USA? It just depends how rich you are. Does that make things better?

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

#15
That's by design, border control was a selling point of Brexit, as brexiters saw only the bad side of immigration. Which to be fair, is no seamless nor without challenges or cost.

I suppose the rational is:

• Diminish the friction that multi-culturalism and diversity integration can bring.

• Free jobs for the local population.

• Having to share less of lands, resources, and infrastructures.

And I see the point, but it also fails to take in consideration that:

• The UK needs the import/export flow it was used to pre-brexit to keep their current life style. They don't produce much good internally, and they need to export their service. Brexit added huge barriers to that, not just for people.

• The current British population doesn't seem very motivated to take back the jobs they delegated to immigration.

• Even if it were, it can't be instant, since that requires training an entire workforce and sometimes even require permits or certification. Trucks, bus and cabs come to mind. And the inertia will do some damage. The supply chain is already seen glitches, although not as much as I would have expected. They are surprisingly pretty resilient.

• The Northern Ireland situation is a ticking bomb. Yeah, immigrates are not just brown people. People have a short memory though, so I suppose IRA stands for nothing nowadays. They may get a nasty reminder that ignored history is doomed to be repeated.

• Scotland nationalism has been exacerbated since they were pretty anti-brexit. Also, as an immigrant, scots were pretty welcoming, they need people there.

• Big players that needed to stay in Europe are sometimes moving to France or Ireland. So the promised jobs have to take that in consideration.

• The UK has an aging population, with a 0.53% growth rate, and that was when compensated by immigration.

• The UK education system sucks. People think Oxford and Cambridge, but the reality is more Leeds Metropolitan. I've studied there, and it's not going to be easy to find qualified workers only in the island.

• The UK managed to negotiate a very privileged deal inside the UE. It had most of the advantages, and way less of the down sides that other members. This deal is dead now, they have the worst of all worlds. So even if they get some benefits, the cost may be huge.

• France and the UK never really liked each other. The UE brings peace. But now, all bets are off. Also, no more bonding program such as Erasmus to bring future generation together. And good luck to make you BSC valued outside of the UK. And I guarantee the already little patience we had for the retired brits in the South of France that never try to learn proper France will not hold forever now that we are not bros.

• All that in the middle of covid. Not their fault, but damn, that's a terrible timing.

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

#16

Sad but true. I think the most fundamental change of Brexit is the overwhelming "you're not welcome" message. Visas, papers, bureaucrats, people can deal with. But the idea that you're at best tolerated so long as you pay your taxes is really off-putting (even for me, now UK citizen and long-time resident). Also, all these schemes forget that moving for a job is so much more than that - it is moving a life. Can you m…

> My impression is that another upside Silicon Valley has over the UK is that the US is genuinely a country of immigrants.

Have you ever tried applying for a US Visa? The process makes the complaints of the author in this article look like a joke.

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

#17

Sad but true. I think the most fundamental change of Brexit is the overwhelming "you're not welcome" message. Visas, papers, bureaucrats, people can deal with. But the idea that you're at best tolerated so long as you pay your taxes is really off-putting (even for me, now UK citizen and long-time resident). Also, all these schemes forget that moving for a job is so much more than that - it is moving a life. Can you m…

> the US is genuinely a country of immigrants [...] I don't get the impression people are looked down on because they are foreign, once actually on the ground.

Whilst that may be the personal impression of some, the harsh reality is that many immigrants in the US suffer severe discrimination. For instance, many parts of the country have significant pockets of anti-hispanic sentiment. This often spills over into outright violence - just look at the El Paso shooting in 2019[1].

[1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_El_Paso_shooting

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

#18
Speaking as a UK immigrant to Switzerland, even though it is not in the EU, Brexit is just a massive pain. Switzerland has a somewhat strained relationship with the EU, but does have lots of bilateral agreements, like free movement in the Schengen zone, now I'm not even sure if I need a passport to cross the border to France for a day trip.

Not to mention job prospects, it used to be Swiss, then EU then the rest of the world for consideration for a job, so I've dropped down a category, which is just an extra incentive for any company to not even consider UK citizens for a job.

I have a swiss residence permit, so I'm better off than most, and I will be going for citizenship in the next year or so.

One of the stranger conversations you can have with uk expats is those that supported brexit and are now perplexed that they suffer consequences.

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

#19

Brexit was an absolute tragedy for my family. Immediately after the referendum was lost, my children and wife started to experience a level of racially motivated abuse that we had not seen before. This reached a level where my wife felt she could no longer remain in the country and arranged for us to relocate as a family to mainland Europe. The move was not kind for me, and soon after I arrived I had a breakdown and…

> all the joy, happiness and hope seems to have drained from this land.

That might have more to do with the 18 months of COIVD lockdown than Brexit.

Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?

#20

Immigration was not the main reason of voting Brexit. UKIP is not 51% of the UK electorate. I am surprised to see that, years after that vote, there are still gross misinformation circulating around it.

No but the vote has been interpreted as a mandate to implement UKIP's policy agenda (and beyond).

Less misinformation in the article than in Vote Leave's campaign.

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